“Everything which has come down to us from heathendom is wrapped in a thick fog; it belongs to a space of time we cannot measure. We know that it is older than Christendom, but whether by a couple of years or a couple of centuries, or even by more than a millenium, we can do no more than guess.” —Rasmus Nyerup (Danish antiquarian)
Radiometric dating is infused with uniformitarian assumptions
Both are lies
Radiocarbon dating into the distant past is nothing less than delusional
Nevertheless, it is profoundly important that we know when Proto-Saturn exploded. I no longer feel that I should attempt to divine or intuit the answer for the reader, only provide the answers for and against the two obvious dates, 9500 BC and 3100 BC
How important is this subject?
Many individuals within the fields of comparative mythology and the electric universe believe “Let there be light” from the opening of Genesis is a reference to when Proto-Saturn exploded. We celebrate this event as Christmas. The Romans before us celebrated it as Saturnalia. So yea, it’s important. Wallace Thornhill defines “Proto-Saturn” as a brown dwarf star “before it became a gas giant planet in the solar system” (see 0:48 minutes into “Wal Thornhill: The Star ‘Proto-Saturn’ | EU Workshop” from the ThunderboltsProject YouTube channel). This explosion marks that transition. I began this quest over six years ago. My goal then was to write a book entitled “3200 BC.” Overlooking the fact that I was off by 100 years, I wanted nothing more from the remainder of my time on this dreary planet than to know what happened then. Along the way I became keenly aware of 9500 BC, especially after reading “Cataclysm!: Compelling Evidence of a Cosmic Catastrophe in 9500 B.C.” by D. S. Allan and J. B. Delair. The world was almost totally destroyed and nobody knows for sure why.
I became mystified that no one in the field of comparative mythology or within the electric universe school of thought was even considering the possibility that the explosion of Proto-Saturn was responsible for what happened in 9500 BC.
Jno Cook and others within the field of comparative mythology think this happened in a timeframe that I generically refer to as 3100 BC, but there are dissenting opinions within The Thunderbolts Project™ and Electric Universe camps. Obviously, mainstream science and academia are useless in answering this profoundly important question. Uniformitarianism (or gradualism) does not recognize the reality of the polar configuration of the planets. The wild temperature fluctuations during the Younger Dryas and the ice age (energy) paradox in particular at first seem to be a natural fit, but electromagnetic reconfigurations of small metal balls in plasma science laboratories suggest that such reconfigurations happen rapidly, not over thousands of years.
Immanuel Velikovsky on “The Pitfalls of Radiocarbon Dating”
Immanuel Velikovsky has written an article on this subject entitled “The Pitfalls of Radiocarbon Dating” in which he states:
W. F. Libby clearly saw the limitations of the method and the conditions under which his theoretical figures would be valid:
A. Of the three reservoirs of radiocarbon on earth—the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the hydrosphere, the richest is the last—the oceans with the seas. The correctness of the method depends greatly on the condition that in the last 40 or 50 thousand years the quantity of water in the hydrosphere (and carbon diluted in it) has not substantially changed. :
B. The method depends also on the condition that during the same period of time the influx of cosmic rays or energy particles coming from the stars and the sun has not suffered substantial variations.
Well, the oceans may have been formed when Proto-Saturn exploded. And there is no chance whatsoever that either solar particle events (SPE or solar cosmic rays) or galactic cosmic rays (GCR) have “not suffered substantial variations.” None.
An Overview of Radiocarbon Dating from Mainstream Science
For an overview of the radiocarbon dating written by one of the disciples of uniformitarianism see:
Wikipedia Radiocarbon dating
“Dating – the Radiocarbon Way” from the GNS Science YouTube channel:
It’s madness. They speak of different “effects” (minor imperfections in the methodology) when in truth it’s just madness. Mainstream science and academia are mathematically insane. The problem with these people is the same problem that pervades all of mainstream science and academia; they make a living radiocarbon dating. To suggest that it is meaningless not only jeopardizes their income, but it also collapses their reality.
Proto-Saturn exploding and earth outside of Proto-Saturn’s magnetosphere are the two elephants in this room. They are like taking a wrecking ball to the delicate equipment used in radiocarbon dating.
The historical perspective on the development of radiocarbon dating is well outlined in Taylor’s (1987) book “Radiocarbon Dating: An archaeological perspective”. Libby and his team intially tested the radiocarbon method on samples from prehistoric Egypt. They chose samples whose age could be independently determined. A sample of acacia wood from the tomb of the pharoah Zoser (or Djoser; 3rd Dynasty, ca. 2700-2600 BC) was obtained and dated. Libby reasoned that since the half-life of C14 was 5568 years, they should obtain a C14 concentration of about 50% that which was found in living wood (see Libby, 1949 for further details). The results they obtained indicated this was the case. -An overview of C14 datinmg written by Thomas Higham C14dating.com
Radiocarbon Dating to Before March 23, 687 BC
March 23, 687 BC is believed to be the last time Mars was close to Earth, though the consequences of this last encounter were not as drastic as those of 747 BC when the length of the year changed. After this date, there are no more close encounters with Earth. The solar system eventually settles down to the state that it is in now. Prior to this, however, Venus ravaged the planet and before that Proto-Saturn exploded. If Proto-Saturn’s explosion rained plasma down on earth, what are the implications for carbon dating prior to this event? And if carbon dating is rendered completely meaningless as a result of Proto-Saturn exploding, the comet Venus, and Mars by what other means do we arrive at the date 9500 BC? The “calibration” of radiocarbon dating can imagine only “two types of variation from the straight line: a long-term fluctuation with a period of about 9,000 years, and a shorter term variation, often referred to as ‘wiggles’, with a period of decades.” I am greatly troubled by their use of the term “wiggle.”
As with all things mainstream, there is no allowance for such an extreme event as Proto-Saturn exploding. Of course, this means the 9500 BC may be entirely fallacious. Why? Of the three naturally occurring isotopes of carbon on Earth, only one of them is radioactive. That is the Carbon-14 isotope. In other words, Carbon-14 and “radiocarbon” are two terms for the same thing.
The primary natural source of carbon-14 on Earth is cosmic ray action on nitrogen in the atmosphere, and it is therefore a cosmogenic nuclide. However, open-air nuclear testing between 1955–1980 contributed to this pool. -Wikipedia [bold-red emphasis added]
Cosmogenic nuclides (or cosmogenic isotopes) are rare nuclides (isotopes) created when a high-energy cosmic rayinteracts with the nucleus of an in situ Solar System atom, causing nucleons (protons and neutrons) to be expelled from the atom -Wikipedia [bold-red emphasis added]
In recent years I have chanced to read the view of Josif Shklovsky, a Russian astrophysicists, that a nova would be a source of cosmic rays even thousands of years after the explosion. Shklovsky and his collaborators offered the suggestion that at some past time the earth, or the entire solar system, passed through clouds of cosmic rays, resulting from a nova star, that caused the extinction of various forms of life on earth, dinosaurs and others. This thought found an echo in me because the same thoughts had been put on paper by me two decades earlier. But their assumption that cosmic rays may be discharged by a nova thousands of years after the explosion led me to think that if such is the case, Saturm may still emit cosmic rays, if, by now, only of low energy. Therefore when asked at some college gatherings what new “prediction” I would make, and desirous to tell something that in case of detection could not be ascribed to a lucky guess, I volunteered to suggest that there is a good chance that Saturn emits low energy cosmic rays. This on the assumption that the Russians were right in saying that a nova would still be sending out such radiation after so long a period. Immanuel Velikovsky, “Saturn” from the The Immanuel Velikovsky Archive [bold-red emphasis added]
So if the above-ground nuclear tests (gnats compared to Proto-Saturn exploding) known as “the bomb spike” is something that must be taken into consideration when radiocarbon dating, imagine what a brown dwarf parked next door to earth would do were it to go nova. But Proto-Saturn exploding is not the only overlooked elephant in this room. (Know problems with radiocarbon dating such as the “Suess effect” from the burning of “fossil” fuels are not considered here because they are trivial in comparison.)
Here are the last four paragraphs (the conclusion) from “How Long Ago?” written by Stephen Smith and dated Jun3 23, 2009:
One of the most basic assumptions in the development of an accurate “calendar” by which events could be dated was that the Earth is an isolated celestial body that does not interact with other bodies. Another assumption is that radioactive decay rates are constant, Earth’s energy cycle has received no additional input since the radioactive elements were formed, or no alteration to its electrical or magnetic fields have taken place. That means geologists can “rely on” a smooth, continuous clock ticking off the millennia at a measurable rate. Is that the case, however? Is there evidence that the radiometric dating methods that scientists use with such confidence can change?
Cosmic rays or electrical discharges could increase the percentages of C-14 (“radiocarbon”) in living organisms. If the remains of those organisms were dated using the standard radiocarbon ratios, they would appear to be much younger than they are, or much closer to the present era than they should be.
Conversely, if an increase in radioactively neutral carbon isotope were to accumulate in our biosphere from burning forests, from cosmic dust, or from extensive volcanic eruptions, anything dated following whichever particular cause would appear much older. No definite timeline can be constructed using the dating methods traditionally thought to produce accurate results.
It seems possible that plasma interactions with Earth and other charged bodies in space, or the impact of ion beams from a vast cloud of plasma on our biosphere could disrupt all the elemental changes that are used to date rocks: uranium changing to lead; potassium changing to argon; or samarium changing to neodymium. Therefore, the Earth could be much younger than the billions of years commonly ascribed to it. It is equally possible that it is much older than is thought. Until some radical new discovery is made, no one can be sure.
This two-part article is a MUST READ if you think radiometric dating is anything other than quackery for dates before March 23, 687 BC
As discussed on the Defining Exactly Who are the Progeny of Jove page, 2600 BC is the latest possible date for the creation of the progeny of Jove precisely because the solar system has not changed since then. But even these dates are highly suspect.
In dating of ancient Egyptian objects, C14 dates which do not conform with the accepted chronology are discarded as contaminated and not published, those that do, are published. This is hardly good science. Since there is no means of determining what is contaminated and what is not, other than its’ support of the accepted chronological scheme, it amounts to nothing more than circular reasoning. Ginenthal (p163) quotes a Harvard professor:
“If a C14 date supports our theories, we put it in the main text. If it does not entirely contradict them, we put it in the footnote. And if it is completely ‘out of date’, we just drop it.”
As an example of this, Ginenthal cites the results of a test performed by the British Museum on palm kernels and mat reed from the tomb of Tutankhamon, who supposedly lived in the 14th C BCE. The results were 899 BCE and 846 BCE, a discrepency of almost 500 years. Those dates were never published.
This text is extracted from another MUST READ discussion forum on “C14 dating” from the thunderbolts.info website.
There is a wealth of information in this thread.
It is written by catastrophists who know that radiocarbon dating is worse than useless because it is being selectively used to confirm preconceived notions about our past.
Outside of Proto-Saturn’s protective magnetosphere, the earth is subject to much a greater GCR flux than ever before
Two Suns (“Shields are down Scotty”)
The Earth had two suns in the past, our current Sun and the planet Saturn, which is referred to as Proto-Saturn in the remote past. Both protected our planet from galactic cosmic rays. Then the polar configuration of the planets broke apart (David Talbott prefers “dismembered”) and Earth began a solo orbit around the Sun. This has profound implications for the future of mankind. Earth is no longer inside the protective magnetosphere of Saturn. Now only the heliosphere of the Sun protects us from galactic cosmic rays.
When you begin to understand the consequences of a massive influx of these highly charged particles misnamed “galactic cosmic rays,” you will begin to also understand what the ancients knew. Outside of the protective magnetosphere of Proto-Saturn, as an intelligent species, we are headed into uncharted territory. This has never, ever happened before. Judging by the heartbeat-like regularity of the ice core temperature records, nothing like this has happened for at least a half a million years and may never have happened before. In other words, the temperature records suggest that the polar configuration of the planets was stable for that long. The giant skeletons found on or near the surface of our planet are critically important evidence that the polar configuration did not destabilize until about 18,000 years ago with Proto-Saturn exploding in 9500 BC. But the grossly misnamed “precession of the equinoxes,” which is provably our solar system’s binary relationship with the Sirius star system, is a 26,000 year cycle. What this means is that the newly orphaned Earth on its solo orbit around the Sun is entering into the Age of Aquarius outside of Saturn’s protective magnetosphere for the first time ever. Think Star Trek “raise the shields Scotty,” only the shields are at fifty percent and the Klingon’s (GCRs) are about to attack in force. The ancients knew this, and they fully understood the consequences. It has already begun. We are in for the ride of our life.
Changes in the Decay Rate
The following picture and article are from thunderbolts.info website:
Nov 29, 2004
Antarctic Fossil Questions
There’s a petrified forest in Antarctica peeking through perpetual snow where today nothing bigger than bacteria grows. The trees resemble today’s Christmas trees, but instead of needles they had leaves (see photo) The trees grew thickly (a thousand or more per acre) and tall (up to 80 feet). They are dated late Permian, 260 million years ago, one of many times when Earth appears to be have been much warmer than today.
From a catastrophist point of view, there are many questions raised by the Antarctic forest. How accurate is the system by which the trees were dated? Was late Permian really 260 million years ago? Geologists consider this figure accurate, along with the “known” age of the Earth. And it’s all backed by absolute radiometric dating techniques. Fifty years ago, they were equally confident of a different age, and another age fifty years before that. But this time they’re sure they’ve got it right.
Two of the basic assumptions on which radiometric dating is based are that the Earth is an isolated body in space unaffected by interactions with other bodies and that the decay constant is a constant. No matter what, no matter where, the half-life of a particular radioactive isotope remains the same.
Catastrophists, who collect evidence that the Earth has been subjected to discontinuous and disruptive events, are quick to point out the flaws in radiometric dating results. A search of Ian Tresman’s Catastrophism CD on-line (see link below) will generate 101 different references to radiometric dating in catastrophist literature. Most of these articles are about anomalies in radiometric dating and how they are explained away by those who accept the conventional dating without question. Others refer to research showing that changing electric fields can change the decay rate.
In addition, Russian researchers S. E. Schnoll, et al, have been studying the effects of celestial cycles on the decay constant for over 30 years. They document changes in the decay constant and in chemical reaction rates that correlate with moonrise/moonset, eclipses, the sidereal and synodic day, the year, and the sunspot cycle.
Each of these cycles shows that the decay rate is connected to something. From an Electric Universe point of view, that something is probably electric currents in space. The synodic day variations (sunrise to sunrise) would correlate to the Sun’s electric currents, while the sidereal day variations (from star-rise to star-rise, just under four minutes shorter than the synodic day) would correlate to something from beyond the solar system, such as the galactic electric currents.
Schnoll, et al, document that solar activity affects the decay rate of Plutonium239. This activity peaks when there are active solar flares or CME’s. The decay rate spike occurs immediately after the solar activity, or 2 to 3 days before the solar wind arrives to change the Earth’s geomagnetic field. This may mean that the cause of the changed decay rate arrives at Earth at the speed of light (or faster). Or it may mean that both the changes in decay rate and the solar activity have a common cause in galactic-scale electric currents.
If catastrophic changes to the solar system have occurred, then radio decay constants have changed. If the plasma discharge phenomena we call the thunderbolts of the gods actually flew between Earth and other planets, this too would have changed the radio decay constant (as well as the abundances of radioisotopes). In any case, the whole question of absolute dating must be re-evaluated from an electric universe point of view.
“Peter Mungo Jupp: Instant Fossilization | EU2017” from the ThunderboltsProject YouTube channel:
Written records questionable even in “ancient” Egypt
stratigraphy (relative dating)