- Welcome Back! (to respect for the ancients)
- The Table
- 2160 Cycles of Jupiter (the Eye of Jupiter)
- Understanding the Mechanics of the Long Count Calendar
- December 21, 2012
- The Great Wayeb
- Cycles of Destruction
- Great Cycle 5, The Great Tribulation
- Great Cycle 4, The Biblical Deluge (often discussed as “3200 BC”)
- Great Cycle 3, Earth Assumes a new Solo orbit Around the Sun
- 9512 BC, Proto-Saturn Explodes
- Great Cycle 2.5, The Birth of Venus
- Great Cycle 2, Second Galactic Superwave
- Great Cycle 1.5, First Galactic Superwave
- Original End Date Argument (Carefully Preserved)
Special Note: This page is a disaster. I would like nothing more than to finish it, but the reality is that discussing the Mesoamerican Long count calendar is passé and invites ridicule if not disdain. Though I regard it as my single greatest contribution, I stopped working on it because no one reads this stuff. It is NOT complete.
Welcome Back! (to respect for the ancients)
People are so gullible. Do you remember the feeling that “maybe, just maybe, there’s something to this Mayan calendar thing”? Well, you’re not alone. The 400th anniversary to the Authorized King James Version of The Holy Bible was the year before 2012. That was no coincidence, I assure you. Have you ever heard the expression “crying wolf”? December 21, 2012 was always intended to be the biggest “crying wolf” incident in recorded history. It succeeded. The Progeny of Pythagoras who have siphoned off trillions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to build the extensive tunnel systems in Colorado and throughout the Western United States of America wonderfully succeeded in lulling us to back to sleep. Even attempting to discuss this ancient calendar which once captivated the imagination of an entire world is now passé and invites ridicule, if not utter disdain. But stop and think for a minute.
The Boy Who Cried Wolf is one of Aesop’s Fables … From it is derived the English idiom “to cry wolf”, defined as “to give a false alarm” in Brewer’s Dictionary of Phrase and Fable and glossed by the Oxford English Dictionary as meaning to make false claims, with the result that subsequent true claims are disbelieved. — Wikipedia
You can be sure that if December 21, 2012 were the actual end date, you would have never heard about it. Such information about the end time has never been in the public domain. The GMT correlation date date is correct. The problem is that 13 Baktuns is the length of a Great Cycle. It is not a date any more than saying “2012” is a date. The month and day are missing. It is more or less the same with the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar. And there is a serious year zero problem with 2012. Furthermore, the design and end date of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar was obfuscated at its inception. This has always been some of the most guarded information in the history of mankind. On this page I will explain that the length of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar is actually 2160 orbits of Jupiter (the timepiece). It ends December 21, 2018.
It is inherently insane to think that the designers of this calendar would rely on either the rotation of the Earth around its axis or the orbital period of Earth around the Sun to measure vast periods of time. — Luther Milton DeHaven II
The Mayans did not design this calendar. Neither did the Olmecs. It is the single greatest intellectual achievement of mankind since the end of the last world. The race of Siddhas (spiritual adepts) who designed it were celebrated the world over. It is indeed everything people thought it was prior to December 21, 2012. I believe the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar is an artifact of a people who lived before the polar configuration of the planets broke apart and Proto-Saturn exploded in 9500 BC.
In order to enhance visualization of the mathematical patterns (cycles of destruction discussed below) I discovered in the Mesoamerican (misnamed “Mayan”) Long Count calendar, I have removed any discussions from the table to this page. To go directly to the table, click on the link in the previous sentence. The table opens in its own window. Be sure to use the scroll bar IN THAT WINDOW (as opposed to the one in your browser’s window) to see the whole table. When you are done viewing the table, return here for a detailed discussion of its design and the events it marks.
2160 Cycles of Jupiter (the Eye of Jupiter)
What is the basic unit of time used in the design of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar? On the surface it appears the designers of the calendar decided on days because a baktun consists of 144,000 days (which is 400 years in a 360 day calendar), but this calendar encodes some of the most guarded information in the history of mankind. Nothing is on the surface. The main problem is that, as a unit of time, days are too small. You would not measure a football field in inches, so why would you measure a Great Cycle (5124.2976 years) in days? Using too small a unit of time compounds errors. This is a critical point. See Days as a Unit of Time for a more detailed discussion of this subject.
And using the orbital period of the rocky planets in the inner solar system as units of time was out of the question for the ancients. They knew both Venus and Mars long before they assumed their current orbits. First there was the comet Venus bumping against Earth’s magnetosphere in what is recorded in the Old Testament as the Exodus. Then on February 26th, 747 BC Mars bumped against Earth’s magnetosphere and very substantially changed the length of a year. This is precisely why the designers of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar did not use years as a unit of time. The ancients knew (as we never could) that nothing in the inner solar system is a reliable timepiece over vast periods of time.
Before anyone could fully understand the design of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar or grasp the anti-cipher discussed in the next section, there awaited the discovery of the actual unit of time used in this calendar, which is orbits of Jupiter as discussed in The Timepiece of the Ancients is Jupiter. There are 2160 orbits of Jupiter in the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar. Each Great Cycle consists of 432 orbits of Jupiter. For me this was just the beginning. Only the opening scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark when Harrison Ford is “running a booby-trapped gauntlet (complete with an over-sized rolling boulder) to fetch a solid-gold idol” can describe what followed because the actual end date was further obfuscated at the calendar’s inception.
Understanding the Mechanics of the Long Count Calendar
The GMT Correlation Date
The Zero Year Problem
13 Baktuns versus 13 Ahau (the end date)
What is the “end date” or last day of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar. December 21, 2012 is not the correct answer for a number of reasons discussed in this section. That is not the same thing as saying GMT Correlation date is wrong. Allow me to repeat this critical point, to dispute an “end date” of December 21, 2012 is not GMT correlation date
As stated aove
The correct calendar end date is December 16, 2013. The difference between December 21, 2012 and December 16, 2013 is a rather simple mistake Mayan scholars made regarding the end date. I say again, the GMT correlation date date is correct. It has been confirmed by recent excavations.
The GMT correlation date date is correct. The problem is that 13 Baktuns is the length of a Great Cycle. It is not a date any more than saying “2012” is a date. The month and day are missing. It is more or less the same with the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar. And there is a serious year zero problem with 2012.
A baktun (properly b’ak’tun /ˈbɑːkˌtuːn/; Mayan pronunciation: [ɓakʼ ˈtun]) is 20 katun cycles of the ancient Maya Long Count Calendar. It contains 144,000 days, equal to 394.26 tropical years. The Classic period of Maya civilization occurred during the 8th and 9th baktuns of the current calendrical cycle. The current baktun started on 220.127.116.11.0 — December 21, 2012 using the GMT correlation.
J. Eric S. Thompson pointed out that it is erroneous to say that a Long Count date of, for example, 18.104.22.168.0 is in the “9th baktun”, analogous to describing the year 209 AD as in the “2nd century AD”. However, the practice is so well established among Maya epigraphers and other students of the Maya that to change it would cause more harm than its perpetuation. So the current practice of referring to the current baktun as ”baktun 13” or “thirteenth baktun” may stand, even though it is properly the fourteenth baktun. Alternatively, the first baktun could instead be referred to as the zeroeth to avoid this ambiguity. — Wikipedia
Archaeologists have found carvings in a stone staircase at the La Corona dig site in Guatemala which confirm the ‘end date’ of the Maya calendar, December 21, 2012.
A newly discovered Mayan text reveals the “end date” for the Mayan calendar, becoming only the second known document to do so. But unlike some modern people, ancient Maya did not expect the world to end on that date, researchers said.
“This text talks about ancient political history rather than prophecy,” Marcello Canuto, the director of Tulane University Middle America Research Institute, said in a statement. “This new evidence suggests that the 13 bak’tun date was an important calendrical event that would have been celebrated by the ancient Maya; however, they make no apocalyptic prophecies whatsoever regarding the date.”
An ancient Maya text has emerged from the jungles of Guatemala confirming the so-called “end date” of the Maya calendar, Dec. 21, 2012.
Considered one of the most significant hieroglyphic finds in decades, the 1,300-year-old inscription contains only the second known reference to the “end date,” but does not predict doomsday.
It is only the second known inscription which confirms this ‘end date’.
PRALC archaeologists, who in 2012 discovered a Maya text containing only the second known reference to the so-called “end date” of the Maya calendar, toda
Welcome to the wesbite for the archaeological project known by its Spanish name Proyecto Regional Arqueológico La Corona (PRALC).
2013 Apr 11
The problem is that 13 Baktuns is the length of a Great Cycle. It is not a date any more than saying “2012” is a date. The month and day are missing. It is the same with the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar.is is a rather The explanation why is a technical argument I will not repeat here except to emphasize one more time that thirteen baktuns is not a date. It is the length of one Great Cycle. For a discussion of the actual end date please read 13 Ahau (end date) and Comet ISON. But this begs the question, Why would the calendar end date be five days before the winter solstice? Besides this, knowing the correct end date does not change the argument that not even the ancients would make such a date public. It had to be obfuscated. Ending the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar five days before the winter solstice is an important clue that this is not in fact the actual end date. Mayan shamans who are alive today have said it was always “y un poco.” They just do not know how much more time sould be added o the corr. If the actual end date is somehow doubly obfuscated, an elaborate anti-cipher is required to assure people in the distant future that they are correctly interpreting the designers intent. After all, the future of mankind is at stake here. And the designers of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar were most assuredly infinitely more intelligent than the Mayans. They left that anti-cipher for us.
December 21, 2012
If the Mesoamerican (grossly misnamed “Mayan”) Long Count calendar is everything people thought it was prior to December 21, 2012, do you really believe the powers-that-be would have ever allowed this knowledge to be disseminated to the masses? That would be like throwing the key to Fort Knox on the ground in the middle of Times Square. This is some of the most guarded information in the history of mankind. December 21, 2012 was a “crying wolf” ruse from the beginning. This “GMT correlation” date is accurate. It is the end of thirteen baktuns. The problem is that thirteen baktuns is not a date. The “crying wolf” ruse worked. The problem is that the designers of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar really were predicting the end of the world by earthquake. And they were highly intelligent. These people really cared about us. To be dismissive towards their work because the world did not end on December 21, 2012 is the height of ignorance.
The Great Wayeb
The solstices and equinoxes were unimaginably important to the ancients. So why end the most important calendar of all time five days before the Winter Solstice? This is indeed a very important question. It practically cries out, “Add five!.” At the time the calendar was designed, the end time was some two and a half millennia into the future. Would we remember the “unlucky five days?” Would we understand the clue? Certainly we would know from their architecture the important of the equinoxes and solstices. This is what makes the end date of December 16, 2013 so appropriate as a clue to add five years also. The obfuscation of the actual end date was at once necessary (because even in their won time this was some of the most guarded information in the history of mankind), but at the same time threatened the possibility that their message would be lost in time. Something more was needed, some way of letting us know for sure the intended message was to add five years to the end date. This is what I call the anti-cipher.
The end date is not understood in large part because it was deliberately obfuscated at its inception.
Gionger’s stuff on the removal of number 18 from Hebrew alphabet
February 26th, 747 BC
According to Jno Cook, who is surpassed only by David Talbott in advancing the work of Immanuel Velikovsky, in an update of “Chapter 23: Destructions by Mars” in his remarkable work Recovering the Lost World, on February 26th, 747 BC “Mars caused a disturbance of the Earth’s orbit,” changing the length of a year from 360 to 365.25 days.
This date is one of the most important dates in the history of mankind. It represents the loss of perfection because to the ancients the 360 day year was perfection. To fully understand how devastating this was for the ancients, you need to study the work of Lucien Khan (YouTube, Facebook). Lucien Khan is an unsung intellect of the highest order. He understands that Sexagesimal (base 60) numeral system, including our units of time (60 minutes in an hour and twelve hours in a day) and angular (360 degrees in a circle) measurement, are based on the the Fibonacci 60 digit repeat cycle. The Fibonacci 60 digit repeat cycle is well known in mathematics, but when Lucien Khan mapped those 60 digits onto a circle the heavens opened up. Given the fact that our units of time and angular measurement are based on the Fibonacci 60 digit repeat cycle, one may safely assume that the sexagesimal (base 60) numeral system is used throughout the universe and has been for millions if not billions of years. But that, as they say, is another story.
The Five Unlucky Days
Morning the loss of their perfect 360 day year and not wanting to really recognize that the orbital period of Earth had changed, many ancient people simply added “five unlucky days” to the end of their existing 360 day calendars. The Mayans referred to these “unlucky five days” as the Wayeb. Over 2,000 years later, these “five unlucky days” are still an important part of Mayan culture.
The Haab’ was made up of eighteen months of twenty days each plus a period of five days (“nameless days”) at the end of the year known as Wayeb’ (or Uayeb in 16th-century orthography). The five days of Wayeb’ were thought to be a dangerous time. Foster (2002) writes, “During Wayeb, portals between the mortal realm and the Underworld dissolved. No boundaries prevented the ill-intending deities from causing disasters.” To ward off these evil spirits, the Maya had customs and rituals they practiced during Wayeb’. For example, people avoided leaving their houses and washing or combing their hair.
So you see the practice of adding five whatever to calendars is thousands of years old. The “Great Wayeb” adds five years to the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar. It gave us the time to discover the truth herein disclosed.
There are living Mayan shamen who say the end of the Long Count calendar was always the end date “y un poco” (“and a little”). They just don’t know what a little means. This is where knowing the actual end date of December 16, 2013 is critically important. It was a clue the designers of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar left behind. They lived not long after Mars bumped up against our magnetosphere and changed Earth’s orbital period.
Cycles of Destruction
The explosion of Proto-Saturn at 9500 BC makes it clear that 108 orbits of Jupiter (or 108 x 11.8618 = 1281.0744 years) is the dominant cycle of destruction. I also think this is why the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar is primarily a vigesimal or base 20 numeral system. The are twenty 108 orbits of Jupiter cycles of destruction in the calendar (20 x 108 = 2160). Every Great Cycle is 432 orbits of Jupiter (or 432 x 11.8618 = 5124.2976 years). Speaking of years, it took me years of studying the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar until I discovered that the basic unit of measurement used in the calendar is orbits of Jupiter. And then it took me years more to uncover the underlying pattern of cycles of destruction, which are 36, 72, and 108 orbits of Jupiter. Only when all three of these occur in the same year is there a “Great Cycle.” Look carefully at the pattern of 36, 72, and 108 orbits of Jupiter cycles of destruction in the following snippet from the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar page:
This is the last Great Cycle. What you will notice is that 36, 72, and 108 orbits of Jupiter cycles of destruction also align in the middle of each Great Cycle. In other words, instead of there being only five of these alignments as there are five Great Cycles, there are actually ten. Why? Why are there not ten Great Cycles, one every 216 orbits of Jupiter? I have pondered the answer to this question for years now. One would naturally assume that something spectacular, such as a galactic superwave, occurs every 432 orbits of Jupiter, but the data does not support this assumption for the following reasons:
- BIRTH OF VENUS: I am very confident that the exact middle of the calendar, Great Cycle 2.5, marks the birth of Venus
- EXPLOSION OF PROTO-SATURN: The explosion of Proto-Saturn occurred at 108-9 (read as nine 108 orbits of Jupiter ago) when there was only an alignment with 36-27 (no 72)
- GALACTIC SUPERWAVES: The work of Paul A. LaViolette, PhD suggests that the galactic superwaves which apparently destabilized the polar configuration of the planets occurred roughly 216 orbits of Jupiter apart
So what is the answer? Why are there not ten Great Cycles? Well, if you are familiar with my work then you already know I do not like complicated answers. The truth is always simple. I think the designers of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar were doing exactly what the they claim, marking the end of the last world, which was the Biblical deluge that occurred in 3106 BC. This is exactly what the Old Testament of the Bible does. So does the Yuga calendar of India. I discuss this event below and in detail in The Biblical Deluge (3106 BC). This is primarily what makes 432 a sacred number. 3106 BC was 432 orbits of Jupiter ago.
December 21, 2012
+ 5.342634576179861 years (125.144606400000027 days) (4.111189434954009 months)
December 16, 2013
Great Cycle 5, The Great Tribulation
I am utterly astounded that the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar marked the end of the Modern Maximum. I have no patience for people who say that this calendar is no different than ours in the sense that at the end of a calendar year we just go to the store and buy a new one. The extra five years (the “Great Wayeb”) that must be added to it takes us to the beginning of a “grand solar minimum” that will make the Little Ice Age seem tame. It is going to destroy this world by earthquake, exactly as the Mayans predicted. Not in a day. The world goes on. Nothing can destroy this planet in one day and leave us as a species alive. The calendar is a “you live in the end time” marker for humanity. The December 21, 2018 date arrived at after adding five days (the clue) and five years (the “Great Wayeb”) is what I call the extended end date. I discovered the anti-cipher for this date only days before discovering that the Book of Daniel pointed to the exact same year. That moment is etched into my memory. I know exactly where I was standing at the time. The implication is that whoever wrote the Book of Daniel knew about the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar. The extended end date is discussed in The Great Wayeb (“y un poco”) and Its Anti-Cipher and most intriguingly in Leo Tanguma (DIA murals).
This date marks the end of the Mesoamerican (Mayan) Long Count calendar plus five days (the clue) and five years (the “Great Wayeb”). What will happen? The Bible says “for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” The Mayans say this world ends because of earthquakes. It is clear from the Zodiac that the “Age of Aquarius” involves a weakening of the Sun resulting in an unprecedented influx of galactic cosmic rays (GCR) which are directly responsible for the worldwide flooding and increased lightning, seismic, and volcanic activity that is already happening to this planet. The implication is that our Solar system’s binary relationship with Sirius is ultimately responsible for the Sun’s “hibernation” or dormancy at this time during the misnamed “precession of the equinoxes.” There is an inverse relationship between solar output and GCRs. We are headed into uncharted territory.
Great Cycle 4, The Biblical Deluge (often discussed as “3200 BC”)
See “Were the Pyramids Built Before the Flood? (Masoretic Text vs. Original Hebrew)” by Nathan Hoffman (NathanH83) on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI1yRTC6kGE
Great Cycle 3, Earth Assumes a new Solo orbit Around the Sun
EARTH ASSUMES A NEW ORBIT
Orphaned Earth assumes a new solo orbit around the Sun and the temperature record finally re-stabilizes.
9512 BC, Proto-Saturn Explodes
9500 BC TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE EARTH
marks the end of the PLEISTOCENE and start of the Holocene epoch
As described by Immanuel Velikovsky, “At a date that I would be hard put to task to identify even with approximation, but possibly about than [sic] ten thousand years ago, Saturn was disturbed by Jupiter and exploded, actually became a nova. The solar system and reaches beyond it were illuminated by the exploded star, and in a matter of a week the earth was enveloped in waters of Saturnian origin.” (https://www.varchive.org/ce/sattot.htm). EARTH WAS ALSO PELTED WITH PLASMA, PLASMA THAT CAME FROM PROTO-SATURN’S EXPLOSION, NOT ASTEROIDS, A MASSIVE SOLAR FLARE OR A SUPERNOVA.
At some point during a close approach to Jupiter, Saturn became unstable; and, as a result of the influx of extraneous material, it exploded, flaring as a nova which, after subsiding, left a remnant that the ancients still recognized as Saturn, even though it was but a fraction of the celestial body of earlier days. In Saturn’s explosion much of the matter absorbed earlier was thrown off into space. From https://www.varchive.org/itb/satjup.htm
Great Cycle 2.5, The Birth of Venus
VERY IMPORTANT POTENTIAL CONTRADICTION WI TALBOTT SEE 1:14:25 IN Symbols of an Alien Sky (Full Documentary)
HE HAS THE CENTER OF THE AZTEC CALENDAR STONE AS MARS
Marks the end of the Younger Dryas cooling
Interestingly, Randell Carlson in his YouTube lecture on the “Catastrophe at 12,900 BP” (a favorite subject of his), says “In the aftermath of this catastrophe, is when we find stepping onto the world stage the goddess…the age of the goddess when humans, the descendants of the survivors, are worshipping the Earth in the form of a corpulent pregnant goddess…” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbnrDbbfyxE) In a different YouTube interview (Joe Rogan Experience #725) with Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson, the date is moved to 12,800 BP, which is (1950 – 12800 =) 10,850 BC.
As with all Mesoamerican cultures, including the Mayans, the Aztecs inherited their calendar system from the original designers of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar. We do not know who these people were. However, the design doubtless dates back to 600-700 BC when, according to Jno Cook in his remarkable work Recovering the Lost World, “Mars caused a disturbance of the Earth’s orbit on February 26th, 747 BC,” changing the length of a year from 360 to 365.25 days. At this time the attention of perhaps some of the most advanced astronomers ever alive on this planet was focused on understanding the new configuration of the planets so familiar to us today. The similarities of the Aztec calendar system to that of the Mayans is simply too great for this to be otherwise.
For anyone familiar the work of David Talbott, that Miley Cyrus tongue sticking out of the face in the MIDDLE of the Aztec Sun (or Calendar) Stone featured on this website represents the planet Venus. This is actually profoundly important because it is an affirmation that at the center of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar (10,793 BC or Great Cycle 2.5) is the birth of Venus. How did I arrive at this conclusion?
- It is clear the birth of Venus preceded the explosion of Saturn because Venus is well documented to have been part of the polar configuration.
- Nothing less than the explosion of Proto-Saturn can account for the total destruction of 9500 BC
- Ergo the birth of Venus preceded the explosion of Proto-Saturn
This logic is so simple and straightforward, the only real question is when did the polar configuration break apart. For the answer to that we go full circle and look to the evidence of the giant skeletons being on or near the surface.
CUT N PASTE
If you look at my post on the basic structure of the so-called “Mayan” long count calendar and read all of my other stuff already posted (a tiny amount of the material I am sitting on), you will see that I am somewhat conflicted about what happened at two of the four main dates in the history of new solar system configuration, which began when the “Proto-Saturn” solar system configuration of the Electric Universe team destabilized and broke apart. Those dates are as follows:
END OF SECOND MAYAN AGE
The Proto-Saturn solar system configuration of the Electric universe team is destabilized interrupting a temperature cycle that is over 300,000 years old. Nothing will ever be the same.
10793 BC (Great Cycle 2.5)
BIRTH OF VENUS FROM SATURN (EU) marks the end of the “Younger Dryas cooling”
Saturn FINALLY explodes and orphans Earth. marks the end of the PLEISTOCENE and start of the Holocene epoch
END OF THIRD MAYAN AGE
Orphaned Earth assumes a new solo orbit around the Sun and the temperature record finally re-stabilizes (at least from a historical perspective). Venus and Mars become comets.
The dates themselves are not in question. The agree perfectly with the Greenland ice core temperature records. What I am not sure about is 9500 versus 10793 BC. One is Saturn exploding and the other is the birth of Venus. This is solvable though based on when the worship of Venus began, which is to say the way it is represented above is probably wrong. In either case, Earth was destroyed because it was bombarded with plasma resulting in a 30 degree tilt of the planet.
Great Cycle 2, Second Galactic Superwave
END OF SECOND MAYAN AGE
SECOND galactic superwave
The “Proto-Saturn” solar system configuration of the Electric universe team is destabilized
This event interrupts a heartbeat-like temperature cycle that has been stable for well over 300,000 years old. Nothing will ever be the same. Paul LaViolette places this date at 15,870 BP (13,920 BC), which in his book Earth Under Fire he gives as either 13,865 or 13,860 BC.
Great Cycle 1.5, First Galactic Superwave
FIRST galactic superwave
Paul LaViolette has Sagittarius shooting his arrow through the dead center of the Milky Way galaxy at 18,200 BP (16,250 BC). He believes this date or 15,870 BP (13,920 BC) is an either-or proposition, but both dates are within 500 years of a “Great Cycle” which could indicate that the galactic superwaves are recurring every 216 orbits of Jupiter (Plato’s number), which is one half of a “Great Cycle”. This would imply that yet another galactic superwave was responsible for the birth of Venus and possibly for Earth assuming its present orbit around the Sun after the proto-Saturn solar system of the Electric Universe team broke apart.
Original End Date Argument (Carefully Preserved)
The following is a carefully preserved argument for the correct end date of the Mesoamerican (Mayan) Long Count calendar from the Godlike Productions website, which is a discussion forum for “UFOs, Conspiracy Theorists, and the Lunatic Fringe,” which is admittedly a website description that does not readily lend itself to being a credible source for such an immensely important argument. Nevertheless, this is a singularly strong argument for a different end date than the popularly known and believed December 21, 2012. It is an exact copy, with only frivolous, irrelevant, or unsubstantial comments excluded and some minor formatting changes. This argument for a end date of December 16, 2013 is profoundly important, which is why I could not risk it being deleted from the Godlike Productions website.
The author of these posts is unknown, identified only as “Anonymous Coward” (which is a default user name) with the User ID 833688 from the United States. If anyone knows who this person is, please contact me. There are two posts. The first is dated 12/21/2009 09:12 PM. The second is dated 12/22/2012 07:29 PM.original post (2009)
second post (2012)