- The Basic Units of Measurement Used
- Days as a Unit of Time Measurement
- Years as a Unit of Time Measurement
- Jupiter is the Timepiece of the Ancients
- The All-Seeing “Eye of Providence” is the Great Red Spot on Jupiter
- Plato on the Nature of Time
- Plato’s “Perfect Year” (vs. Gray Steven’s “whole orbit synchronicity”)
- Jose Solar Cycles
- Carl Munck on The Length of a Mayan Year
READER BEWARE: What follows is a mess
Jupiter is the timepiece of the ancients
On this page, I will explain that the actual units of time measurement used in the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar are orbits of Jupiter and what we call Jose Solar Cycles (the basic movement of the sun around the solar system barycenter). The duration of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar is actually 2160 orbits of Jupiter or 144 Jose Solar Cycles. Jupiter’s orbit is equal to 11.8618 Earth years. This is the number I use for all of the calculations on this website. The Mesoamerican Long Count calendar end date is December 16, 2018.
If you know anything about the history of our solar system, then it is inherently insane to think that the designers of this calendar would rely on either the rotation of the Earth around its axis or the orbital period of Earth around the Sun to measure vast periods of time.
The Basic Units of Measurement Used
What is the basic unit of time used in the design of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar? On the surface, it appears the designers of the calendar decided on days because a baktun consists of 144,000 days (which is 400 years in a 360 day calendar), but this calendar encodes some of the most guarded information in the history of mankind. Nothing is on the surface. The main problem is that, as a unit of time, days are too small. You would not measure a football field in inches, so why would you measure a Great Cycle (5124.2976 years) in days? Using too small a unit of time compounds errors. This is a critical point. See Days as a Unit of Time for a more detailed discussion of this subject.
And using the orbital period of the rocky planets in the inner solar system as units of time was out of the question for the ancients. They knew both Venus and Mars long before they assumed their current orbits. First there was the comet Venus bumping against Earth’s magnetosphere in what is recorded in the Old Testament as the Exodus. Then on February 26th, 747 BC Mars bumped against Earth’s magnetosphere and very substantially changed the length of a year. This is precisely why the designers of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar did not use years as a unit of time. The ancients knew (as we never could) that nothing in the inner solar system is a reliable timepiece over vast periods of time.
Before anyone could fully understand the design of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar or grasp the anti-cipher discussed in the next section, there awaited the discovery of the actual unit of time used in this calendar, which is orbits of Jupiter as discussed in The Timepiece of the Ancients is Jupiter. There are 2160 orbits of Jupiter in the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar. Each Great Cycle consists of 432 orbits of Jupiter. For me this was just the beginning. Only the opening scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark when Harrison Ford is “running a booby-trapped gauntlet (complete with an over-sized rolling boulder) to fetch a solid-gold idol” can describe what followed because the actual end date was further obfuscated at the calendar’s inception.
Days as a Unit of Time Measurement
On the surface of things, it would appear that the designers of the calendars decided on days, or the rotation of the Earth around its axis, as the basic unit of time measurement. There are 144,000 days in a Baktun. This avoids the problem of a change in Earth’s orbital period (discussed below), but is highly problematic. The main problem is that as a unit of measurement, it is too small. You would not measure a football field in inches, so why would you measure a Great Cycle or Age in days? Using too small a unit of measurement compounds errors. The are stellar or sidereal days (the time it takes for Earth to complete one rotation with respect to the stars), solar days (the time it takes for Earth to complete one rotation with respect to our Sun), and civil days (86,400 seconds). The difference can be as much as four minutes, which over thousands of years is significant. In fact, over one “Great Cycle” or “Age” the difference is (13 Baktuns x 144,000) 1,872,000 “days” times a four minute difference for each day is 7,488,000 minutes, which is (7,488,000 ÷ 60) 124,800 hours or (124,800 ÷ 24) 5,200 “days,” which is more than (5200 ÷ 365.25) 14 years.
It is inherently insane to think that the designers of this calendar would rely on either the rotation of the Earth around its axis or the orbital period of Earth around the Sun to measure vast periods of time.
Is the choice between stellar or sidereal days, solar, or civil days an obvious one? I don’t think so. Stellar or sidereal measurements are arguably the most ancient. Solar is the most logical. Civil involves the sacred number 864. Would the ancients take such a chance with the most sacred knowledge of all time? Would they not find a more reliable timepiece with which to measure such vast periods of time?
Years as a Unit of Time Measurement
The Mesoamerican Long Count calendar does not use years as a unit of time measurement and for good reason. As a unit of measurement, Earth’s orbital period is unreliable. According to Jno Cook, who is surpassed only by David Talbott in advancing the work of Immanuel Velikovsky, in an update of “Chapter 23: Destructions by Mars” in his remarkable work Recovering the Lost World, “Mars caused a disturbance of the Earth’s orbit on February 26th, 747 BC,” changing the length of a year from 360 to 365.25 days. The designers of this calendar therefore most certainly knew that the orbital period of the Earth around the Sun was unreliable. They also knew that Venus and Mars were comets long before they settled down into their current planetary orbital paths. The simple fact of the matter is that they undoubtedly knew, certainly more so than we do, that the inner solar system consisting of the rocky planets is inherently unstable.
Over the millennia the length of a year varies, considerably more so than modern, mainstream science thinks. And there is proof of this. See Carl Munck and The Length of a Mayan Year below for further discussion.
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The designers included what I call an “anti-cipher” though, so that one could be sure the actual unit of measurement is the orbital period of Jupiter, which for us is 11.8618 years. I do not mean to suggest that the orbital period of Jupiter has changed since the calendar was designed, but the length of a year most certainly has changed since then. This is a critical point.
Jupiter is the Timepiece of the Ancients
There is only one timepiece in our solar system that is both reliable and easy to use. This is Jupiter. It is of paramount importance that you fully grasp why Jupiter is the most reliable timepiece in the solar system. For starters, it is a very visible planet. Its orbital period can be easily calculated. But more importantly, it has a long orbital period of 11.8618 years, which can be reduced to a measurement of one orbit of Jupiter irrespective to the length of time on Earth. There are 2160 orbits of Jupiter in the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar. Right now NASA calculates Jupiter’s orbits as 11.8618 years. Back when the calendar was designed, the precise measurement of Jupiter’s orbit in years may have been different, but the length of time that represents most assuredly has not changed. I’ll get back to the reasons why Jupiter’s orbit is so stable in a minute, but for now let’s make some comparisons.
If the Mayan year was 365.020081 days as suggested by Carl Munck (as just one example of many of a different measurement for the length of Earth’s orbital period), 2160 orbits of Jupiter would be 25,637 years instead of the 25,621 computed using the current length of a year, which is 365.2422 days. That is a difference of 16 years, but this is a matter of perspective. The actual length of time under discussion is the same. It is 2160 orbits of Jupiter. The error only becomes manifest if you translate the time of Jupiter’s orbit into years, which the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar does not do. The orbital period of Jupiter does not change in these equations, only how it is expressed in years. This is just another example of why the calendar does not use years.
You can be sure that the designers of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar were way too smart to use anything other than Jupiter as their timepiece. The information they were conveying down through the ages ws too important to use anything else, certainly not days. Jupiter was the first planet to breakaway from the polar configuration and therefore most likely to have been the first to obtain a stable solo orbit around the Sun. It also has twice the mass of all the other planets combined. For these two reason the designers of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar chose it to be their timepiece.
The All-Seeing “Eye of Providence” is the Great Red Spot on Jupiter
If the timepiece of the ancients is Jupiter, it is counting down the years until the next axial tilt.
Many names, same concept: knowledge is power and Jupiter is counting down the years until the axial tilt.
Amen, used at the end of a prayer in Hebrew and in European languages that borrowed it from Hebrew, was the name of the Egyptian deity Jupiter. It is part of the names of many Egyptian kings—Amenhotep, Tutankhamen; of the same root is amen—“to believe.” It is beyond the scope of this work to find which of the words—as the name of the deity or as a word in vocabulary, precede, and which is derived.
The Sun was termed by the Greeks the Eye of Jupiter, and the Eye of the World; and his is the All-Seeing Eye in our Lodges…The Blazing Star in our Lodges… represents Sirius — Albert Pike, Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite‘s Southern Jurisdiction
Jupiter was the first planet to break away from the polar configuration. After Proto-Saturn exploded, it was by far also the largest planet in the solar system. It has the most stable orbit in the solar system other than the Sun’s orbit around the solar system barycenter (more on this in a moment). I do not care what others think or say on this subject. The Eye of Jupiter is counting down the years until the next axial tilt. It was called the “All-Seeing Eye” in Vedic hymns a thousand years older than Christianity. And it is the Eye of Horas. Jove, Zeus, Amon, Marduk, Shiva, call it what you want, but the planet Jupiter is King of the Gods in part because it is the timepiece of the ancients.
The ancients knew orbits of Jupiter would be a reliable timepiece down through the ages, but disclosing this fact would violate the immensely important rule that a precise knowledge of the end time is and must forever remain a highly guarded secret. Days were the most reliable unit of time left to them. They also provided a very subtle anti-cipher as discussed in the next section. Hence, a baktun is 144,000 days.
From the Pyramid Texts (§ 1806)
O Osiris the King, the gods have knit together your face for you and Horus has given you his Eye, that you may see with it.
And now that you know the truth, allow me to repeat what I said at the start of this page. Welcome back to a respect for the ancients. The Mesoamerican Long Count calendar is indeed everything people thought it was prior to December 21, 2012. See also The Worship of Jupiter, The Worship of Saturn (both written by Immanuel Velikovsky), and Sacred Number 216.
IMPORTANT: Cut 59:10 to ~59:30 in “Remembering the End of the Last World” This is the original eye on the face of Proto-Saturn
also in he following at about 7:10
The Eye of Ra (Jno)
See also One Dollar Bill
Plato is fully cognizant of Jupiter’s retrograde motion in the heavens
Plato on the Nature of Time
I cannot overstate the importance of this dialogue about time. In it, Plato makes it perfectly clear that Jupiter is the timepiece of the ancients. Plato is fully cognizant of the retrograde motion of Jupiter discussed at length in Revelation 12:1-2 on September 23, 2017 (923). This lends credence to the idea that the highly descriptive “being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered” in Revelation 1:2 is indeed a reference to Jupiter. Leaving aside the discussion of the “perfect year” and focusing only on the fact that Plato is discussing the “all the eight” planets, in Tinaeus we read
“And yet there is no difficulty in seeing that the perfect
number of time fulfils the perfect year when all the eight revolutions, having their relative degrees of swiftness, are accomplished together and attain their completion at the same time, measured by the rotation of the same and equally moving. After this manner, and for these reasons,
came into being such of the stars as in their heavenly progress received reversals of motion, to the end that the created heaven might imitate the eternal nature, and be as like as possible to the perfect and intelligible animal”
Provided by The Internet Classics Archive. Available online at http://classics.mit.edu//Plato/timaeus.html Timaeus By Plato …
Time, then, and the heaven came into being at the same instant in
order that, having been created together, if ever there was to be
a dissolution of them, they might be dissolved together. It was framed
after the pattern of the eternal nature, that it might resemble this
as far as was possible; for the pattern exists from eternity, and
the created heaven has been, and is, and will be, in all time. Such
was the mind and thought of God in the creation of time. The sun and
moon and five other stars, which are called the planets, were created
by him in order to distinguish and preserve the numbers of time; and
when he had made-their several bodies, he placed them in the orbits
in which the circle of the other was revolving-in seven orbits seven
stars. First, there was the moon in the orbit nearest the earth, and
next the sun, in the second orbit above the earth; then came the morning
star and the star sacred to Hermes, moving in orbits which have an
equal swiftness with the sun, but in an opposite direction; and this
is the reason why the sun and Hermes and Lucifer overtake and are
overtaken by each other. To enumerate the places which he assigned
to the other stars, and to give all the reasons why he assigned them,
although a secondary matter, would give more trouble than the primary.
These things at some future time, when we are at leisure, may have
the consideration which they deserve, but not at present.
Now, when all the stars which were necessary to the creation of time
had attained a motion suitable to them,-and had become living creatures
having bodies fastened by vital chains, and learnt their appointed
task, moving in the motion of the diverse, which is diagonal, and
passes through and is governed by the motion of the same, they revolved,
some in a larger and some in a lesser orbit-those which had the lesser
orbit revolving faster, and those which had the larger more slowly.
Now by reason of the motion of the same, those which revolved fastest
appeared to be overtaken by those which moved slower although they
really overtook them; for the motion of the same made them all turn
in a spiral, and, because some went one way and some another, that
which receded most slowly from the sphere of the same, which was the
swiftest, appeared to follow it most nearly. That there might be some
visible measure of their relative swiftness and slowness as they proceeded
in their eight courses, God lighted a fire, which we now call the
sun, in the second from the earth of these orbits, that it might give
light to the whole of heaven, and that the animals, as many as nature
intended, might participate in number, learning arithmetic from the
revolution of the same and the like. Thus then, and for this reason
the night and the day were created, being the period of the one most
intelligent revolution. And the month is accomplished when the moon
has completed her orbit and overtaken the sun, and the year when the
sun has completed his own orbit. Mankind, with hardly an exception,
have not remarked the periods of the other stars, and they have no
name for them, and do not measure them against one another by the
help of number, and hence they can scarcely be said to know that their
wanderings, being infinite in number and admirable for their variety,
make up time. And yet there is no difficulty in seeing that the perfect
number of time fulfils the perfect year when all the eight revolutions,
having their relative degrees of swiftness, are accomplished together
and attain their completion at the same time, measured by the rotation
of the same and equally moving. After this manner, and for these reasons,
came into being such of the stars as in their heavenly progress received
reversals of motion, to the end that the created heaven might imitate
the eternal nature, and be as like as possible to the perfect and
Plato’s “Perfect Year” (vs. Gray Steven’s “whole orbit synchronicity”)
The main question here is to what time is Plato referring? Is it the end of the binary cycle with Sirius or something else?
Gray Steven’s website “Jupiter’s Dance.”
That there might be some visible measure of their relative swiftness and slowness as they proceeded in their eight courses, God lighted a fire, which we now call the sun, in the second from the earth of these orbits, that it might give light to the whole of heaven, and that the animals, as many as nature intended, might participate in number, learning arithmetic from the revolution of the same and the like. Thus then, and for this reason the night and the day were created, being the period of the one most intelligent revolution. And the month is accomplished when the moon has completed her orbit and overtaken the sun, and the year when the sun has completed his own orbit. Mankind, with hardly an exception, have not remarked the periods of the other stars, and they have no name for them, and do not measure them against one another by the help of number, and hence they can scarcely be said to know that their wanderings, being infinite in number and admirable for their variety, make up time. And yet there is no difficulty in seeing that the perfect number of time fulfils the perfect year when all the eight revolutions, having their relative degrees of swiftness, are accomplished together and attain their completion at the same time, measured by the rotation of the same and equally moving. After this manner, and for these reasons, came into being such of the stars as in their heavenly progress received reversals of motion, to the end that the created heaven might imitate the eternal nature, and be as like as possible to the perfect and intelligible animal. —Plato,
The 5125.257 year cycle also contains whole orbit synchronicity between Mars (.015 orbit difference) Jupiter (.084) Saturn (.01) Uranus (.003). Bit of a coincidence then. Imagine, all those planets arriving back in the same orbital positions after a lapse of 25626 years and that being in accord with Mayan calendrics and prophecy.
Jose Solar Cycles
If days are unreliable, why are there 144,000 days in a Baktun? This is indeed an important question. 144 is a sacred number found in no less than the Book of Revelation (which I sincerely believe was written by the Phrygians and inserted into the Bible). I think it is largely symbolic. Quite possibly it is a reference to what we now call the Jose solar cycle (best thought of as the basic motion of the Sun around the solar system barycenter). The barycenter would not substantially change as the result of the solar system rearrangement. The movement of the Sun around the solar system barycenter (the “Jose” solar cycle) is thus the single-most reliable timepiece in our solar system.
In what Gray Stevens describes on his Jupiter’s Dance website as “a sort of Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Universe moment,” he suggests that there are 144 Jose solar cycles in the calendar:
Which brings me to the long count, the 5125.257 year Mayan calendar, ending according to archaeologists around December 21st 2012, the culmination of the fifth period of a larger 25526.3 year calendar. Troubling is the Mayan assertion that this period coincides with a new Sun and the end of the world as we know it by earthquake.
This would be easy to brush aside as ancient myth until one realises [sic] that the 25526.3 cycle which the Mayans so elaborately designed can be divided by the 177.925 year sunspot cycle exactly 144 times. A sort of Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Universe moment.
Gray Stevens, www.jupitersdance.com (accessed 10 September 2017)
There is a problem with this quote. Gary Stevens even so much as acknowledges this on another one of his pages entitled “The Final Waltz” when he references Paul D. Jose’s paper “Sun’s Motion and Sunspots” (1965) and gives the correct 178.7 year duration of Jose’s solar cycle. He is “force fitting” the Jose Solar Cycle into the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar. I maintain this force fitting arriving at (25621.488 ÷ 144) 177.927 years in my Basic Structure of the Mesoamerican (Mayan) Long Count calendar. Why? There are multiple reasons. The first is out of respect for Gray Stevens. Despite all his foibles (not the least of which is that he completely overlooks the point that Galactic Cosmic Rays (GCR) are triggering the large earthquakes even though he provides the some of the best evidence for this), it is because of him that I realized there must be some other basic unit of measurement for the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar. But there are other reasons. I Charvátová and others have advanced Paul D. Jose’s work, but I think the importance of this basic motion of the Sun around the solar system’s barycenter has been for some strange reason deliberately overlooked by mainstream science. Certainly there is a dearth of papers on the subject. Doubtless this has something to do with the popular insanity that the Sun is not the principle driving force in climatology. Because of this lack of scientific scrutiny, and because of my profound respect for the ancients, I must allow for the possibility, as does Gray Stevens, that, at least over long periods of time, the basic motion of the Sun around the solar system barycenter in fact averages out to just under 178 years instead of the 178.7 years claimed by Paul D. Jose, the first person in our age to study this subject.
Regarding the work of Gray Stevens, it is worth noting here that mainstream science now acknowledges that lightning is caused by GCR and the Electric Universe team has now discovered that earthquakes are a kind of underground lightning. There is an inverse relationship between GCR and sunspots so that it is quite logical that the major earthquakes are happening during solar minimum. See also my discussion of Matthew 24:27. It should open your eyes to the fact that the ancients understood our solar system far better than us, including Joshua (misnamed “Jesus”).
Carl Munck on The Length of a Mayan Year
Main Article: 13 Baktuns versus 13 Ahau (the end date)
A Baktun is 144,000 days. Using our present measurement of 365.2422 days as the length of a year, 144,000 days is 394.26 years (rounded). According to Carl Munck, at the time our ancestors were building all of the pyramids and mounds in what he calls the “grid,” the length of the year was 365.020081 days. Surely these were the same people who developed the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar. If that is so, then 144,000 days (divided by 365.020081) is equal to 394.50 years (rounded). This is a considerable difference of roughly three months. In one Great Cycle of 13 Baktuns, the difference is even more pronounced.
Mainstream science says the years are getting longer, too, but at a rate of at most 1.8 to 2.3 milliseconds a century. This is classical uniformitarianism applied to metrology. What proof does Munck offer for this shorter year?
When computing the “grid longitude” of Kukulcan, he notes that there are 365 steps but then says:
As explained in my earlier presentations, the number 365 has no more meaning in the code than it does in referring to the calendar. There is no 365 day year and never has been. Today the year is 365.2422 days long, and is growing. When this matrix was mapped out thousands of years ago, the year was 365.020081 days long and that’s the number we have to use here. [1:00:52 to 1:01:23 in Part 2 of “The Code”]
He then uses the same figure of 365.020081 days in a year to compute the “grid longitude” of The Pyramid of the (365) Niches in El Tajín, Mexico.
Critics of “archaeocryptography” (a term Wikipedia uses to attack his credibility) might note that the only difference between using 365 versus 365.020081 in this computation is that the longitude minutes are 34.218 (or 34.219 rounded), which is pretty negligible. To which Munck responds with a pretty amazing “checkmate” use of 325.020081 days in a year:
But it’s no real problem for a master suppressionist to dispose of any of the preceding by simply asserting that all of these field measurements are wrong. So let’s setup another checkmate, shall we. Kukulcan does this for us, in part. Ninety degree right angles everywhere. And its 365 steps, which we now know to represent the figure 365.020081
The derivative here is 4.055778, a figure which any better modern calculator can show as being the tangent of 7123.85068.
Kukulcan explained the first part. Back in 1993, the US Geological Survey explained the second part. I sent the exact coordinates of Kukulcan and the Great Pyramid off to the national geodetic survey in Silver Spring, Maryland, and ask their computers to plot me the exact surface distance over the Earth which separates these two pyramids. I further asked that they provide the figure back to me in terms of 5280 foot statute miles. And this is how it came back, 7,123.8. This 7,123.8 mile line from the Kukulcan vectors itself on the Great Pyramid, or vice versa. The tangent to mile message here is so obvious that no further explanation is really necessary. [1:31:32 to 1:33:21 in Part 2 of “The Code”]
I think even the most ardent skeptic would have to take a hard look at this. The tangent is exact and is not obtainable without the .020081 added to 365 (the number of steps).
But Munck finds further support for 365.020081 being the length of the year in no less than the Great Pyramid of Giza.This is deeply troubling because there is general agreement in the field of comparative mythology, especially in the more recent work of Jno Cook, that the change from a 360 day year to a 365 day year occurred on February 26th, 747 BC. The Great Pyramid of Giza was obviously built before then, so this information could not be deliberately encoded into the design of the pyramid. You can review this discussion for yourself. It begins at 1:02:48 in Part 1 of “The Code.”
The only mitigating factor in this mistake is that Munck uses a somewhat contrived “grid vector” for the Great Pyramid, one which does not cross the apex of the pyramid, but rather its north face. On the surface, this shows the weakness of Carl Munck’s work and supports the Wikipedia “archaeocryptography” blatant attack on him. I would respond to this criticism by pointing out that Immanuel Velikovsky was not without his faults either, yet his work has served as the foundation stone of the Electric Universe (EU) movement. Mainstream science is utterly (mathematically) insane. The only thing they are really good at is defending that insanity.
- There exist here the potential for serious drift, as much as three years in one Great Cycle according to Carl Munck as discussed in Carl Munck on The Length of a Mayan Year. However, by his own estimate Carl Munck’s 325.020081 day year is from the time of the Great Pyramid building. It considerably predates the design of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar. And nowadays the drift in the length of a year is minuscule.