PAGE STATUS: Concept page. The is a relatively new page created with material that was taken from the overly ambitious “Who are the Progeny of Jove?” page (trying to capture at the very least 2,600 years of history) which was thereafter renamed “Who are the progeny of Jove Now?” I have invested countless hours trying to figure out what was happening before the progeny of Jove surfaced as the ancient Greeks. Consequently, most everything on this page are ideas I may longer endorse. This page is for me something of a paradox. While writing the page remains a low priority, I spend an hour or two almost every day trying to unravel this mystery. Right now I am studying Homer’s Odyssey convinced that it encodes the information I so badly need in order to trace their origins.
LAST UPDATE: September 4, 2020
- Remnant of the Atlantis Culture
- Origins of the Progeny of Jove (circa 600 BC)
- The Minoans and Mycenaeans
- The Philistines and their Strong Affiliation with the Phoenicians in Canaanite
- The Hellenes (“I am Alpha and Omega”)
- Who were the Phrygians, and Why are They remembered in the Symbolism of the United States of America?
- From Pythagoras to the Roman Elite
- There is no Gold in Fort Knox
- The Ant People
- Research Notes
Remnant of the Atlantis Culture
The progeny of Jove learned what they know from no less than the remnant of Atlantis, which is to say their knowledge of our Solar System dates back to previous world ages. You cannot understand my work, and more importantly, you cannot understand all of history unless you first understand that the progeny of Jove began life as the Hellenes who learned what they know about the Solar System from the remnant of the Atlantis culture we know as the Minoans and that they befriended the Phoenicians in Canaanite who learned what they knew from the survivors of Atlantis in Tartessos in the southern Iberian Peninsula (modern day Spain). This friendship came to an end in the Punic wars when the Roman elite (the progeny of Jove in their day) utterly destroyed yet another people who knew about the cyclic destruction of the world “There can be only one.”
After March 23, 687 BC, Earth’s last encounter with Mars, all of the planets settled into distant orbits and became mere “moving stars.” The ancients realized for the first time that their descendants would never understand or believe the destructive nature of the Solar System in which they live. This was the impetus that gave birth to…
the progeny of Jove.
Origins of the Progeny of Jove (circa 600 BC)
The knowledge the progeny of Jove possess has survived from previous worlds. Of this, we can be sure. The cycles of destruction to which this planet is subject, or more generally, the electromagnetic disturbances to our entire Solar System responsible for the cyclic destruction of our planet, cannot be observed in hundreds or even thousands of years. It may date back to a distant time before the last Golden Age, which is to say this knowledge is at least tens of thousands of years old if not hundreds of thousands.
But the progeny of Jove did not exist prior to March 23, 687 BC, which was the date of the last close encounter of the comet Mars with Earth. Prior to this date, the Solar System was unsettled. There was never an opportunity for people to think of much more than their own survival. Thousands of years earlier in a time now remembered as the Younger Dryas
From the time of the breakup of the polar configuration which
When we say the “progeny of Jove” essentially what it means is those persons who have an intimate and detailed knowledge of previous worlds and know when to expect this one will be destroyed. Jove or Saturn is the bearded god of the ancients. If you do not know why they think of Saturn as a god and why they thought he had a beard, then you plainly know nothing about the Polar Configuration of the pland and need to study the work of David Talbott
We have just experienced 2750 years of relative calm (747 BC + 2018 AD). Why do I use the date 747 BC? The answer to this question is pivotal to understanding my work. It took me years to piece this together. Here is the main point:
Because of the Bible’s “Exodus” and the popularity of Immanuel Velikovsky’s Worlds in Collision, it is not generally understood that the destructions of Mars far in exceeded anything prior to it.
It was only sometime after 687 BC when Mars assumed its present orbit that the ancients realized there would be this prolonged period of stability and calm in the solar system. It was an unimaginable period of enlightenment and knowledge of these cycles of destruction were much more widely dispersed. The “Progeny of Jove” date back to this period.
First, there are the Jewish prophets from the Old Testament.
Amos (c.802 – 745 BC) who said “that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth” [think the Water Bearer of the Age of Aquarius]
Isaiah (c. 740-681 BC) who said “The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard”
Daniel (c. 620–538 B.C) who said “there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation”
They were not “prophets” in the sense of having some kind of supernatural knowledge. God did not select them because they were better than their fellows, tap them on their shoulder, and whisper truths about the future into their ears. That entire concept of prophecy is rubbish. There are no such prophets, any more than there is an anthropomorphic God. These men were first and foremost thinkers. They could “see into the future” because they understood more about the present.
Then the ancients Greeks:
Solon (c. 638 – c. 558 BC), a distant relative of Plato’s from whom his family learned about Atlantis
Pythagoras (c. 570 – c. 495 BC) from whom the Freemasons claim direct lineage
These men are the progeny of Jove in their day. The Jews will be infiltrated (as were the Christians many centuries later) and made to forget what is about to happen. The “Master Plan” was already formulated in the days of the ancient Greeks. Its origins date back to the Phrygians who survived our many encounters with Mars in vast underground cities in Central Anatolia (modern-day Turkey).
And then there are Asians:
Gautama Buddha (c. 563/480 – c. 483/400 BCE), also known as Siddhārtha Gautama, Shakyamuni (i.e. “Sage of the Shakyas”) Buddha, or simply the Buddha
Confucius 孔子 (551–479 BC)
All of these great men in history date back to this time period when knowledge of what the Bible calls the coming “Apocalypse” was more widely dispersed than it is today.
They inherited this knowledge from their ancestors who survived whatever happened in 3100 BC, a mere 500 years ago then.
They know what caused it then and more or less exactly what to expect this cycle. And equally important, when. At least some people think the Mayan culture also dates back to the time period. The following quote is from an article entitled “The Difference Between The Aztec, Maya, Inca, And Olmec” on the knowledgenuts.com website.
“The Maya were the first Mesoamerican civilization, starting around 2600 B.C.”
Even the History channel dates the Maya to at least 1800 BC.
Early Maya, 1800 B.C. to A.D. 250 The earliest Maya settlements date to around 1800 B.C., or the beginning of what is called the Preclassic or Formative Period. —history.com
I like to refer to this period of time generically as 2600 BC. The people who survived the last two catastrophes (or “closing acts” of a cosmic drama as Immanuel Velikovsky calls them), most notably the Phrygians in Central Anatolia (modern-day Turkey), brought forward into the new world in which we now live ancient knowledge about these natural cycles of destruction that ended the previous world. This is the knowledge that the progeny of Jove possess.
There is no clearer evidence for the origins of the progeny of Jove than Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey.
The comet Venus was to the ancient Greeks (or Hellenes) what Mars was to the Romans, a symbol of their beginnings
The Minoans and Mycenaeans
The Philistines and their Strong Affiliation with the Phoenicians in Canaanite
Seriously boring, but invaluable research. Excerpt just the lecture…
The Hellenes (“I am Alpha and Omega”)
Why did the progeny of Jove abandon Hellas in favor of Magna Graecia? Plato provides us with the answer to this question.
Thereupon one of the priests, who was of a very great age, said: O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you. Solon in return asked him what he meant. I mean to say, he replied, that in mind you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition, nor any science which is hoary with age. And I will tell you why. There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other causes. ―Timaeus By Plato
Who were the Phrygians, and Why are They remembered in the Symbolism of the United States of America?
Recent linguistic studies present strong evidence that the Indo-European language group originates in Anatolia. According to most accounts, the Armens were generally tall, blond-haired, and blue-eyed in appearance… —Simple English Wikipedia, Armens
Why Phrygia? Because it is in the center of a large landmass that includes the continents of Asia, Africa, and Europe
The “progeny of Jove” stealthily descended down through the ages, morphing from one organizational entity to another, in order to reach this “coming time” which Virgil longed to see. Though they claim descent from Pythagoras and the ancient Egyptians, I believe their lineage can be traced back to the Phrygians in Central Anatolia, who survived the destructions at the end of the last world en masse in over 200 underground cities such as Derinkuyu, Kaymaklı, Mazi, and Özkonak.
In Derinkuyu alone there were estimated to be as many as 20,000 people who survived; in Özkonak , 60,000 people. At least some of these underground cities were interconnected.
If you doubt the existence of the extensive underground tunnel systems in Colorado and throughout the Western United States (Virgil’s “vault profound”) which cost U.S. taxpayers trillions of dollars, you need only read this Wikipedia article about Derinkuyu to see what the “progeny of Jove” was capable of well over 2,500 years ago.
Why do I think this way? Why do I think the true origin of the progeny of Jove is the Phrygians? First off, there are still traces to this very day of cultural, genetic, and linguistic similarities between the Phrygians, Greeks, and Romans. The cultural ties are interesting, if not as significant as the genetic and linguistic similarities. One I can’t help but notice is Mount Olympus. Did you know that there is also a Phrygian Mount Olympus, too? It is called Mysian Olympus.
1. A daughter of Cecrops, from whom the country of Phrygia was believed to have derived its name (Plin. H. N. v. 32).
2. Phrygia is also used for Cybele, as the goddess who was worshipped above all others in Phrygia (Virg. Aen. vii. 139; Strab. x. p. 469), and as a surname of Athena (Minerva) on account of the Palladium which was brought from Phrygia. (Ov. Met. xiii. 337; compare Apollod. iii. 12. § 3.)
The Cybele connection (Get planet reconfigurtion quote)
The second reason whyI think the Phrygians were the progeny of Jove is the homage paid by the government and military of the United States of America to these ancient people.
Finally, there is the fact that they survived Mars en masse. The ancient Egyptian who spoke with Solon told us the Greeks are usually annihilated in cataclysms. (find quote)
I was stunned to find this highly unusual square and compasses on freemasons-freemasonry.com, the “most popular and famous Freemasons’ online magazine written by Master Masons of a Grand Lodge of Ancient, Accepted Free Masons.” The page was entitled “The Regius Poem,” which is claimed to be the oldest extant Masonic document. So here are Master Masons discussing their oldest document and what do we find but a square and compasses adorned with a Phrygian cap I rest my case.
“The Liberty Cap is taken from the Phrygian cap – a conical cap or bonnet with the peak turned over in front, associated in antiquity with the inhabitants of Phrygia, a region of central Anatolia (now Turkey).”
The “progeny of Jove” are a nameless entity now, well hidden within the government and military forces of the United States of America using “need to know” clearances that exclude even sitting presidents. Their immediate predecessors in this country are the CIA and the Freemasons. When the “progeny of Jove” morph into a new organizational entity what they leave behind is a corpse in the sense that they take with them all of their secrets. I suspect this is a relatively small group of men of extraordinary intelligence.
Virgil and the other ancients are screaming at us to expect is an axial tilt, one that I suspect for this planet is as regular as clockwork. And when it does come it will result in ocean tsunamis miles high. In the more recent past, for a man of Virgil’s stature to speak so frankly, even in poetry, would have gotten him killed. The coming axial tilt is the primary message of the design of the Great Pyramid of Giza, and knowing as they did that this would be extraordinarily difficult for us to believe after 2,500 years of planetary and solar system stability, the design of the Great Pyramid of Giza includes an amazing anti-cipher. So does the Mesoamerican Long Count Calendar, which tells us when to expect this to happen. These two anti-ciphers assure us that our interpretation of the data is correct. They are the key to understanding our past, present, and future as an intelligent species. Rarely were the Freemasons so careless and sloppy as when they designed the seal for the US Department of Interior.
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The Phrygian Cap throughout History
“The Liberty Cap is taken from the Phrygian cap – a conical cap or bonnet with the peak turned over in front, associated in antiquity with the inhabitants of Phrygia, a region of central Anatolia (now Turkey).”
Mithra wears the Phrygian cap
Ovid and the Phrygia to Greece Migration of the Progeny of Jove
Long before the progeny of Jove began morphing from one entity to another in modern times (e.g. from the Freemasons to the CIA in 1947 United States of America), they migrated from one place to another, first infiltrating a people and then, as time passed, becoming those people. Thus the progeny of Jove migrated from Phrygia where the survived the last series of planetary destruction en masse to Greece and then from Greece to Rome. This migration of the progeny of Jove from Phrygia to ancient Greece is symbolized in the story of Baucis & Philemon. ,
In Ovid‘s moralizing fable which stands on the periphery of Greek mythology and Roman mythology, Baucis and Philemon were an old married couple in the region of Tyana, which Ovid places in Phrygia… —Wikipedia
Among other commemorative monuments, Warpalawas most notably commissioned the carving of the İvriz relief, a rock relief at the site of Ivriz near a spring, south of Tuwanuwa in the province of Konya. In the relief, he is depicted with the storm-god Tarhunzas. His attire in the relief is seen as an evidence for his kingdom’s close affinity with the Phrygians. —Wikipedia [bold-red emphasis added]
The two trees are the oak tree (symbolizing the progeny of Jove now in control of ancient Greece) and the linden (representing the Phrygians who carved the cave in Central Anatolia)
In the hilly countryside of Phrygia there grew two trees which were cause for much amazement to anyone who saw them. You see, one was an oak tree and the other was a linden, yet the two grew from a single trunk. How did this marvel come to be, and what can we learn from the story?
The Oak Tree in Ancient Greece and Rome
Both the Romans and Greeks associated the oak tree with their highest gods. To the Greek god Zeus, ruler of the Olympians and the divinity of sky, rain, and thunder, the oak was sacred: he and his wife, Hera, were known as the oak god and the oak goddess.
Zeus’ oracle in Dodona, Epirus, was considered to be the oldest in Greece, though it’s importance was eventually eclipsed by the oracle of Apollo at Delphi. The oracle in Dodona was said to be founded when a black dove flew from Thebes in Egypt and settled in an oak tree at Dodona. The tree became the center of the temple, and priests would divine the god’s assertions and judgements in the rustling of the oak’s leaves.
The oracle at Dodona was visited by notable heroes of Greek mythology, including Jason, who was urged to place a protective branch from the sacred oak on the bow of his ship the Argo when he embarked on his search for the Golden Fleece. In Homer’s Odyssey, Odysseus consults the oaken oracle to ask if he should return to Ithaca in disguise or as himself.
In ancient Rome, every oak was considered sacred to Jupiter, the Italian counterpart to Zeus. Not only was Jupiter worshiped as the deity of the oak, but Roman commanders who were victorious in battle were presented with crowns of oak leaves. —The Oak Tree in Mythology – Symbolic Meaning by Carl Blackburn
Listen Carefully to Herodotus and Plato
Phrygian is attested by two corpora, one dated to between about the 8th and the 4th century BC (Paleo-Phrygian), and then after a period of several centuries from between the 1st and 3rd centuries BC (Neo-Phrygian)…
The last mentions of the language date to the 5th century BC and it was likely extinct by the 7th century BC.
Paleo-Phrygian used a Phoenician-derived script (its ties with Greek are debated), while Neo-Phrygian used the Greek script. —Wikipedia
Written 360 B.C.E
Translated by Benjamin Jowett
Soc. I am at a loss how to explain pur; either the muse of Euthyphro has deserted me, or there is some very great difficulty in the word. Please, however, to note the contrivance which I adopt whenever I am in a difficulty of this sort.
Soc. Shall I tell you what I suspect to be the true explanation of this and several other words?- My belief is that they are of foreign origin. For the Hellenes, especially those who were under the dominion of the barbarians, often borrowed from them.
Soc. Why, you know that any one who seeks to demonstrate the fitness of these names according to the Hellenic language, and not according to the language from which the words are derived, is rather likely to be at fault.
Soc. Well then, consider whether this pur is not foreign; for the word is not easily brought into relation with the Hellenic tongue, and the Phrygians may be observed to have the same word slightly changed, just as they have udor (water) and kunes (dogs), and many other words.
Now before Psammetichus became king of Egypt,1 the Egyptians believed that they were the oldest people on earth. But ever since Psammetichus became king and wished to find out which people were the oldest, they have believed that the Phrygians were older than they, and they than everybody else.  Psammetichus, when he was in no way able to learn by inquiry which people had first come into being, devised a plan by which he took two newborn children of the common people and gave them to a shepherd to bring up among his flocks. He gave instructions that no one was to speak a word in their hearing; they were to stay by themselves in a lonely hut, and in due time the shepherd was to bring goats and give the children their milk and do everything else necessary.  Psammetichus did this, and gave these instructions, because he wanted to hear what speech would first come from the children, when they were past the age of indistinct babbling. And he had his wish; for one day, when the shepherd had done as he was told for two years, both children ran to him stretching out their hands and calling “Bekos!” as he opened the door and entered.  When he first heard this, he kept quiet about it; but when, coming often and paying careful attention, he kept hearing this same word, he told his master at last and brought the children into the king’s presence as required. Psammetichus then heard them himself, and asked to what language the word “Bekos” belonged; he found it to be a Phrygian word, signifying bread.  Reasoning from this, the Egyptians acknowledged that the Phrygians were older than they. This is the story which I heard from the priests of Hephaestus’2 temple at Memphis; the Greeks say among many foolish things that Psammetichus had the children reared by women whose tongues he had cut out.
Philemon (Much Ado About Nothing, 2.1.35): In Greek mythology, a peasant who—with his wife, Baucis—lived in a humble cottage in Phrygia. Disguised as mortals, Zeus and Hermes visited them and were received with great warmth. Zeus rewarded them by transforming their cottage into a temple.
(POTENTIALLY CRITICAL) FROM https://web.stanford.edu/~meehan/donnellyr/oaks.html
Phaedrus: Socrates, you easily make up accounts (logos) from Egypt and any countries you wish!
Socrates: Dear boy, the priests in the sacred precinct of Zeus at Dodona say that prophetic words first came from an oak tree. In fact, the men of that time on account of their guilelessness (lacking the wisdom you young people have) were content to listen to an oak tree and a rock, provided they spoke the truth. — Plato, Phaedrus
 Pliny: “Here we must mention the awe felt for this plant by the Gauls. The Druids – for so their magicians are called – held nothing more sacred than the mistletoe and the tree that bears it, always supposing that tree to be the oak. But they choose groves of oaks for the sake of the tree alone, and they never perform any of their rites except in the presence of a branch of it; so that it seems probable that the priests themselves may derive their name from the Greek word for that tree.* In fact, they think that everything that grows on it has been sent from heaven and is a proof that the tree was chosen by the god himself….”—Pliny XVI, 249. [bold-red emphasis added]
Dodona represent antiquity:
Dodona in Epirus in northwestern Greece was the oldest Hellenic oracle, possibly dating to the second millennium BCE according to Herodotus. The earliest accounts in Homer describe Dodona as an oracle of Zeus. —Wikipedia
Need to research other possible pre-Plato oak tree references. Started here:
July is the month when the Linden (Tilia cordata) is in full bloom not only in Poland or England but also throughout Central and Eastern Europe. Linden is a sacredtree. It had a special meaning in pagan, pre-Christian tradition running so deep that Christianity was forced to embrace the tree as their own.
Slavic mythology. In old Slavic mythology, the linden (lipa, as called in all Slavic languages) was considered a sacred tree. Particularly in Poland, many villages have a name “Święta Lipka” (or similar), which literally means “Holy Lime”.
Basswood (linden) has common properties with but is superior to balsa. Basswood is used for carving, which
From Pythagoras to the Roman Elite
I have long suspected that Pythagoras is a fictitious character. As stated in Wikipedia article on Pythagoras, “Most of the major sources on Pythagoras’s life are from the Roman period…”
The year 532 BC was a year of the pre-Julian Roman calendar. In the Roman Empire, it was known as year 222 Ab urbe condita.
–Wikipedia, 532 BC
Must consider the possibility that Pythagoras was invented to explain to initiates how the progeny of Jove migrated from Ancient Greece to Madna Graecia
Few details of Pythagoras’s life are definitively known. He was born to Pythais and Mnemarchos (or Mnesarchos), a gem-engraver or merchant, on the Ionian island of Samos in 571 or 570 bce. He lived there until 532 or 531, when he migrated, perhaps to escape the tyranny of Policrates, to the Achaean city of Croton in Magna Graecia (southern Italy), soon after the defeat of the city by its neighbors, the Locrians.
According to legend, Ancient Rome was founded by the two brothers, and demigods, Romulus and Remus, on 21 April 753 BCE. The legend claims that in an argument over who would rule the city (or, in another version, where the city would be located) Romulus killed Remus and named the city after himself.
And this very well may explain the timing of their move from Greece to Rome.
There is no Gold in Fort Knox
From the time of the Phoenicians to the Executive Order 6102 on April 5, 1933, The United States Gold Reserve Act of January 30, 1934, and the Bretton Woods Conference,
Everything from here down is dumped from an old Maya Page
544 BC exactly 216 Orbits of Jupiter Ago
THIS IS A WORKING DRAFT, A COLLECTION OF NOTES. I AM NOT SURE IF IT WILL DEVELOP INTO ANYTHING
After the demise of Lord Buddha in 544 B.C., Six Great Buddhist Councils were convened to preserve the purity of the Tipitaka texts which embody the teaching of Lord Buddha. Sangayana means the congregation of learned monks who collectively revised and purified the Tipitaka texts. The First, Second and Third Great Buddhist Councils were convened in India between 544 B.C. and 308 B.C., and the Tipitaka texts were purified and revised orally.
Haryanaka Dynasty: 544 BC -412 BC
500 BC: Cast iron is invented in China around this time. The iron plough was likely invented shortly after.
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More generally, one would expect great wisdom to arise from this era.
Confucius (September 28, 551 BC – 479 BC)
Hundred Schools of Thought
An era of great cultural and intellectual expansion in China, it was fraught with chaos and bloody battles, but it was also known as the Golden Age of Chinese philosophy because a broad range of thoughts and ideas were developed and discussed freely. This phenomenon has been called the Contention of a Hundred Schools of Thought (百家爭鳴/百家争鸣; bǎijiā zhēngmíng; pai-chia cheng-ming; “hundred schools contend”). The thoughts and ideas discussed and refined during this period have profoundly influenced lifestyles and social consciousness up to the present day in East Asian countries and the East Asian diaspora around the world. The intellectual society of this era was characterized by itinerant scholars, who were often employed by various state rulers as advisers on the methods of government, war, and diplomacy.
|Born||c. 570 BC
|Died||c. 495 BC (aged around 75)
Pythagoras of Samos (US: /pɪˈθæɡərəs/; UK: /paɪˈθæɡərəs/; Greek: Πυθαγόρας ὁ Σάμιος Pythagóras ho Sámios “Pythagoras the Samian“, or simply Πυθαγόρας; Πυθαγόρης in Ionian Greek; c. 570–495 BC) was an Ionian Greek philosopher, mathematician, and putative founder of the Pythagoreanism movement. He is often revered as a great mathematician and scientist and is best known for the Pythagorean theorem which bears his name.
The Ant People
What the Hopi call the Ant People, I call the progeny of Jove.
must emphasize Tartessos (Phoenician) and Minoan (Greek) ties to the remnant of the Atlantis culture as the source of their knowledge. I am ready to publicly express my doubts about the existence of Pythagoras, whose purported existence, if it is indeed a fiction, would serve the purpose of suggesting that this knowledge originated in India and Egypt
Search for “cone heads” (I am pursuing this somewhere else)
What I need to discuss:
- Did the Phoenicians who inhabited Ireland become the Druids
- The Roman destruction of the library in Carthage
- The alphabet as encoded communication
- Phoenician settlement in Anatolia
- Hiram Abif and the three Js