№ 50. The Pythagoreans in Pre-Columbian America


READER BEWARE: I started this page ages ago and then never finished it. Besides making the point that the progeny of Jove were in the Americas from before the time of the death of Julias Caesar, the primary reason for maintaining this page is to somehow demonstrate that the progeny of Jove discovered the highly unique Pikes Peak batholith in Colorado thousands of years ago and assured that North America would be kept in a pristine state until the end times.





The Cleaners of a Continent

See also: The Burning of the Maya Codices on the Leo Tanguma (DIA murals) page

The Conquistadors in general and Jesuit priests such as Diego de Landa in particular (he burned 27 codices in one day) were sent to the Americas as “cleaners” to erase any traces whatsoever the Pythagoreans left behind and to make damn sure no one would ever be able to read the Mayan glyphs or fully understand the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar.

The ability of the Maya to write their own language in European script was due to the educational policy of the Spanish missionaries. Although at first they rather admired the Maya for having a graphic system of their own, they were determined to destroy the old manuscripts and eradicate all knowledge of the glyphs from the minds of their converts. The Indians had a great reverence for their hieroglyphic writing which was permeated with the symbols of their old religion, and the friars felt that if they could wipe out this knowledge and substitute for it the European system of writing, it would be an effective means for the complete Christianization of the native population. This should be the easier, since the knowledge of hieroglyphic writing was confined to the priesthood and certain members of the nobility. Diego de Landa, afterward bishop of Yucatan, burned twenty-seven hieroglyphic manuscripts at the famous auto de fe in Mani in 1562, and although many of the Spaniards severely criticized him for this, there is little doubt that other missionaries followed his example whenever they had the opportunity.

—INTRODUCTION, THE BOOK OF CHILAM BALAM OF CHUMAYEL, Internet Sacred text Archive, accessed December 8, 2018 [bold-red emphasis added]







Gods Many

For thousands of years before the arrival of Columbus in 1492, the European progenitors of the people who now control the extensive underground tunnel systems in Denver, Colorado occupied the Americas. Though I have yet to assign specific dates, sometime around 27 BC, the Pythagoreans moved their base of operations to the Americas landing in modern day Chile but eventually exploring the entire continent. While there, they learned about the highly advanced Mesoamerican calendars including the Long Count calendar, which was a game changer.  Subsequently, they infiltrated Mesoamerica as the “Feathered Serpent” or blue-eyed, bearded (caucasian) “gods” of Mesoamerica (Kukulkan among the Yucatec Mayas, Gucumatz and Tohil among the K’iche’ Maya, Votan in Palenque, Zamna in Izamal, and Quetzalcoatl among the Aztecs).

These stupendous performances never won an Oscar, but are remembered to this day as history.

From these remote locations, the Pythagoreans orchestrated the collapse of the Roman Empire they themselves had created, established hierachical control over the church in Rome that bastardized the Christian religion, and assured the intellectual death of Europe in the process. 

In the years immediately before they abandoned the Americas, they were the force (the “high priests” and rulers in Cuzco) behind the Incas.




No other sacred book sets forth so completely as the Popol Vuh the initiatory rituals of a great school of mystical philosophy. This volume alone is sufficient to establish incontestably the philosophical excellence of the red race.

“The Red ‘Children of the Sun,'” writes James Morgan Pryse, “do not worship the One God. For them that One God is absolutely impersonal, and all the Forces emanated from that One God are personal. This is the exact reverse of the popular western conception of a personal God and impersonal working forces in nature. Decide for yourself which of these beliefs is the more philosophical. These Children of the Sun adore the Plumèd Serpent, who is the messenger of the Sun. He was the God Quetzalcoatl in Mexico, Gucumatz in Quiché; and in Peru he was called Amaru. From the latter name comes our word America. Amaruca is, literally translated, ‘Land of the Plumèd Serpent.’ The priests of this God of Peace, from their chief centre in the Cordilleras, once ruled both Americas.All the Red men who have remained true to the ancient religion are still under their sway. One of their strong centres was in Guatemala, and of their Order was the author of the book called Popol Vuh. In the Quiché tongue Gucumatz is the exact equivalent of Quetzalcoatl in the Nahuatl language; quetzal, the bird of Paradise; coatl, serpent–‘the Serpent veiled in plumes of the paradise-bird’!”

American Indian Symbolism from The Secret Teachings Of All Ages By Manly P. Hall by Manly P. Hall [bold-red emphasis added]




Where did the Pythagoreans gain their knowledge of the Americas

The following video makes the point that the megalithic stonework of the Hittites and Peruvians is remarkably similar in their use of advanced technologies such as drilling into andesite. Well, the Phrygians are believed to have occupied the territory of the Hittites (Wikipedia uses the word “sacked”) after their defeat by the Assyrians. So there is reason for believing the progeny of Jove were aware of the Americas from at least the time of the Phrygians. Do NOT lose is video.

I still can find no reason to believe the Hittites are the progeny of Jove, though they may be the ones who carried with them knowledge of the ancient cycles of destruction because they are clearly from the last world. What is important here is to map the underground cities to Hattusa and Gordium (their capitals)

“The Ancient City Of Hattusa Home To The Mysterious Green Rock” from the Blast World Mysteries YouTube channel:

Evidence of the worldwide culture is everywhere, even if our academics and historians choose to lie to our children the the classrooms to which we send them for indoctrination.

The Surya Siddhanta is the oldest surviving astronomical text in the Indian tradition. Some Western  scholars date it to perhaps the fifth or sixth centuries A.D., though  the text itself claims to represent a tradition much, much older. It explains that the earth is shaped like a ball, and states that at the very opposite side of the planet from India is a great city where the  sun is rising at the same time it sets in India. In this city, the Surya Siddhanta claims, lives a race of siddhas, or advanced spiritual adepts. If you trace the globe of the earth around to the exact opposite side of India, you’ll find Mexico. Is it possible that the ancient Indians were well aware of the great sages/astronomers of Central America many centuries before Columbus  discovered America?- the Mayans or Incas. –Knapp, Stephen. 108: The Significance of the Number. Retrieved on 2 January 2014.






Ceramics from the Moche culture, which “flourished in northern Peru with its capital near present-day Moche, Trujillo, Peru from about 100 to 700 AD.” Credit for this and the other photo below: From “Statuettes of the White Gods


Another ceramic vessel from the Moche culture

White Men (Pythagoreans) in Pre-Columbian Peru

The ceramic vessels pictured above and to the left produced by the Moche culture in pre-Columbian Peru date back to 100-700 AD. These are clearly not native Peruvians.

The term Inka means “ruler” or “lord” in Quechua and was used to refer to the ruling class or the ruling family.[12] The Incas were a very small percentage of the total population of the empire, probably numbering only 15,000 to 40,000, but ruling a population of around 10 million persons.  —Wikipedia

These rulers or lords were the Pythagoreans. They were no gods, but after building ancient Greece and the Roman Empire, living among such a primitive people, they must have seemed like gods. Imagine how you would feel if you used a time machine to travel back to the stone-age. In Volume II of “Relation of the discovery and conquest of the kingdoms of Peru” published in 1571 by Pedro Pizarro, “a Spanish chronicler and conquistador” (Wikipedia) and cousin of the illiterate Francisco Pizarro, “who led an expedition that conquered the Inca Empire” (Wikipedia) we read the following:


The people of this kingdom of Peru were white, swarthy in colour, and among them the Lords and Ladies wefe whiter than Spaniards. I saw in this land an Indian woman and a child who would not stand out among white blonds. These people [of the upper class] say that they were the children of the idols.


When I read this, I do not in the least get the impression that Pedro Pizarro is “inventing” a lie. Yet in a section entitled Controversy over “White God” on their page about Viracocha, Wikipedia makes these rather ignorant comments:

Controversy over “White God”
Spanish chroniclers from the 16th century claimed that when the conquistadors led by Francisco Pizarro first encountered the Incas they were greeted as gods, “Viracochas”, because their lighter skin resembled their god Viracocha. This story was first reported by Pedro Cieza de León (1553) and later by Pedro Sarmiento de Gamboa. Similar accounts by Spanish chroniclers (e.g. Juan de Betanzos) describe Viracocha as a “white god”, often with a beard. The whiteness of Viracocha is however not mentioned in the native authentic legends of the Incas and most modern scholars therefore had considered the “white god” story to be a post-conquest Spanish invention.

While descriptions of Viracocha’s physical appearance are open to interpretation, it should be noted that men with beards were frequently depicted by the Peruvian Moche culture in its famous pottery, long before the arrival of the Spanish. Modern advocates of fringe theories however such as a pre-Columbian European migration to Peru continue to cite these bearded ceramics and Viracocha’s beard as being evidence for an early presence of non-Amerindians in Peru. [emphasis added]

See also the Wikipedia article on White gods. On that page, we read:

The writer Robert F. Marx has written extensively about the concept of “White gods”. Marx came to the conclusion that white gods “figure in almost every indigenous culture in the Americas.”

Marx is right, but what no one seems to know is who these men were.





The Quito manuscript begins with the settling of the Americas by peoples from across the seas

—Sabine Hyland, The Quito Manuscript: An Inca History Preserved by Fernando de Montesinos, Yale University Publications in Anthropology


The Quito Manuscript

To begin with, this is Book II of Fernando de Montesinos’  Memorias historiales. Here is an explanation why it is referred to as The Quito Manuscript

Although Montesinos has been credited with composing this history, a comparison of Book II to the other books in the Memorias historiales reveals that Book II is substantively, stylistically and grammatically incongruous with the rest of Montesinos’s chronicle. Viewing Book II in terms of the entire Memorias historiales demonstrates that Montesinos was not the primary author of Book II. As the analysis of the manuscripts shows (see Chapter 7 of the present volume), most of Book II appears to have been copied from “un libro manuscrito que… trata del Piru y sus emperadores… que lo auia escrito un hombre de [Quito] miu lenguaraz y antiguo en ella, cuidándole a las noticias y dándole calor al examen de los indios el Sr. Don Frai Luis Lopez, obispo de aquella iglesia” (Book I, Ch. 4 in the 1882 translation by Jimenez de la Espada). Close study of the manuscripts reveals that Montesinos’s chronicle reflects traditions from the Quito diocese as written by an anonymous colonial author from the city of Quito; therefore the text is referred to as the Quito manuscript throughout this work. —Sabine Hyland, Ibid.

You need to know this because Brien Foerster does attribute this work to Montesinos in the following quote excerpted from the video below. 

There’s another type of construction who these ancient builders, who I actually call the Peerwahs [transcription note: unsure of spelling], and that is from a very obscure manuscript written by a seventeenth century Spanish chronicler who was victimized by all of the other historians. His name was Fernando de Montesinos. He learned from what was left of the ancient Inca priesthood that there was a race of people who appeared forty years after what they called the flood and they built the city and Peru does from the name Peerwah.

—Brien Foerster, at 14:42 minutes into the following YouTube video [bold-red emphasis added]




The Huaca Speaks to  Huayna Capac

The following video is set to begin at the discussion of a huaca that speaks to Huayna Capac shortly before the arrival of the conquistadors and Jesuits. Call me silly, but I think this is a classic Wizard of Oz situation and a Pythagorean is the one doing the talking.

The Living Stones of Sacsayhuaman from the Ombio Productions channel:




The Pythagoreans move to South America

The Incas of Peru regarded the planet Jupiter as “the guardian and ruler of the empire.”  —Varchive

Before the Knights Templar, what I call the “Progeny of Pythagoras” on this website were based in South America for a thousand years from where they orchestrated the fall of the Roman Empire they had created, while creating yet another “Inca” Empire, and appearing to the Maya as gods (see The Progeny of Pythagoras in South America).



They landed in South America where they met and subsequently exterminated the elongated skull people, eventually starting the Inca Empire before returning to Europe in time for the Spanish to “discover” the Americas and erase any visage of the Progeny of Pythagoras ever having been there.



The last act of this drama was when the Progeny of Pythagoras, who is narrating this tale, decides to appear to the Mayans as gods, educate them while learning everything they knew (which was considerable, hence their friendly tactics when approaching a people they knew full well they would have to decimate generations later), and then decapitating Mayan culture by either killing them, forcing them to migrate to North America, or both anyone who had more than a basic knowledge of their operations there. This is the same thing they did to the elongated skulls. They effectively erased them from history. And from South America they would orchestrate the destruction of the Roman empire they created until there was little or no possibility of any people who had even the faintest knowledge of the coming destruction of the planet. They wiped the slate clean.

The Jesuits and the “black pope” are the remnants of the Progeny of Pythagoras in the Catholic Church. They control that church as assuredly as those in control of the granite tunnels in Colorado are also in charge of the United States of America.

This transition from direct control of the Church in Rome to an “outside” order would later be reflected in the U.S.A. when the Freemasons relinquished direct control of that country through its Presidency and created the CIA as an alternative means of control. This occurred around the time JFK. They killed him to show everyone of importance that they may have relinquished the Presidency but not their direct control of the country.

This is the history of the people who are now in control of the granite tunnels in the Pikes Peak Batholith that I refer to as the “Vault Profound” using the terminology of a famous Latin poet. And that history is savage. Do not underestimate the brutal propensities these men harbor towards this crop of human beings. If nothing else, they are bored with us, like a child becomes when he fully realizes the limitation of his favorite toy.

Here then is the blow by blow written as Socrates’ Last Tale in Hamlet’s Mill. My approach will be to frame for you the following passage always shown as a quote with a gray background. I will begin at the same place as this chapter of the book. Most times this takes the form of one or two sentences as I discuss the evidence before us. I am unapologetic about the outrageousness of my claims because I just found proof for something I deliberated buried in myself, not wanting to sound too out-of-control, shall we say. Socrates was in the company of the Pythagoreans shortly before his reputed death. They would not allow the loss of such a man under ANY circumstances. It’s all a ruse.


This is nothing less than Socrates telling the reader that no one has a knife to his throat. I am as confident of my deconstruction of this prose work as I am of anything, including the coming axial tilt. The translation I am using of Plato’s Phaedo is by Benjamin Jowett. on The Internet Classics Archive website.


The Death of Socrates was a Ruse

He was about to leave for Peru. He death was faked. We learning from the introduction to  Socrates’ Last Tale in Hamlet’s Mill. “Socrates is quietly moving into the other world.” Not that “other world.” The Americas! He was fascinated by it. Most likely Socrates was part of the effort to carefully document what happened to the Roman Empire after Julius Caesar, who was murdered by the Progeny of Pythagoras in order to expedite the natural dissolution of the Italian people without the Progeny of Pythagoras leading them. In other words, they abandoned Rome and left it to rot. Only “observers” such as Socrates were left behind to document the inevitable decline. Plato is talking to the ages. This is a rare and precious event.


Death of Socrates

Socrates’ death is described at the end of Plato’s Phaedo, although Plato was not himself present at the execution. As to the veracity of Plato’s account it seems possible he made choice of a number of certain factors perhaps omitting others in the description of the death, as the Phaedo description does not describe progress of the action of the poison (Gill 1973) in concurrence with modern descriptions. Phaedo states, after drinking the poison, he was instructed to walk around until his legs felt numb. After he lay down, the man who administered the poison pinched his foot; Socrates could no longer feel his legs. The numbness slowly crept up his body until it reached his heart.

Socrates chose to cover his face during the execution (118 a6 Phaedo).

Phaedo (61c-69e) states Socrates stated All of philosophy is training for death.

His last words

Socrates last words are thought to be ironic (C. Gill 1973), or sincere (J. Crooks 1998).Socrates speaks his last words to Crito (depending on the translation):

“Crito, we owe a rooster to Asclepius. Please, don’t forget to pay the debt.”


“Crito, we owe a cock to Asclepius, Pay it and do not neglect it.”


“Crito, we owe a cock to Asclepius, make this offering to him and do not forget”

Refused escape

Socrates turned down Crito’s pleas to attempt an escape from prison. Xenophon and Plato agree that Socrates had an opportunity to escape, as his followers were able to bribe the prison guards. There have been several suggestions offered as reasons why he chose to stay:

  1. He believed such a flight would indicate a fear of death, which he believed no true philosopher has.
  2. If he fled Athens his teaching would fare no better in another country, as he would continue questioning all he met and undoubtedly incur their displeasure.
  3. Having knowingly agreed to live under the city’s laws, he implicitly subjected himself to the possibility of being accused of crimes by its citizens and judged guilty by its jury. To do otherwise would have caused him to break his “social contract” with the state, and so harm the state, an unprincipled act.
  4. If he escaped at the instigation of his friends, then his friends would become liable in law.

The full reasoning behind his refusal to flee is the main subject of the Crito. In as much as Socrates drank hemlock willingly without complaint (having decided against fleeing), R.G. Frey (1978) has suggested in truth, Socrates chose to commit suicide.

He didn’t want to escape because he was never at risk of being killed. It was all a Ruse.




A Colorful World (Socrates tells why he is leaving)








Post-Roman Empires in the Americas



The Wari and Tiwanaku Empires

Preceded by the Moche culture


The Wari (Spanish: Huari) were a Middle Horizon civilization that flourished in the south-central Andes and coastal area of modern-day Peru, from about AD 500 to 1000.

Wari, as the former capital city was called, is located 11 km (6.8 mi) north-east of the modern city of Ayacucho, Peru. This city was the center of a civilization that covered much of the highlands and coast of modern Peru. The best-preserved remnants, beside the Wari Ruins, are the recently discovered Northern Wari ruins near the city of Chiclayo, and Cerro Baul in Moquegua. Also well-known are the Wari ruins of Pikillaqta (“Flea Town”), a short distance south-east of Cuzco en route to Lake Titicaca.

—Wikipedia, Wari culture [bold-red added]




The Origin of the Blue Eyes The Ancient Gods and Their Royal Descendants from the UFOmania – The truth is out there channel:






Puquina (or Pukina) is an extinct language once spoken by a native ethnic group in the region surrounding Lake Titicaca (Peru and Bolivia) and in the north of Chile. It is often associated with the culture that built Tiwanaku.

“Some theories claim that “Qhapaq Simi”, the cryptic language of the nobility of the Inca Empire, was closely related to Puquina”

—Wikipedia, Puquina language




The Sapa Inca

Sapa Inca

The Sapa Inca (Hispanicized spelling) or Sapa Inka (Quechua for “the only Inca”), also known as Apu (“divinity”), Inka Qhapaq (“mighty Inca”), or simply Sapa (“the only one”), was the ruler of the Kingdom of Cusco and, later, the Emperor of the Inca Empire (Tawantinsuyu) and the Neo-Inca State. While the origins of the position are mythical and tied to the legendary foundation of the city of Cusco, historically it seems to have come into being around 1100. The position was hereditary, with son succeeding father. The emperor was viewed as a god. The principal wife of the Inca was known as the Coya.  —Wikipedia, 






Inca Empire

Though I have yet to assign specific dates, the Pythagoreans also established a base of operations in South America which they used for many centuries. It included what we know of as the Inca empire. While there, they orchestrated the intellectual death of Europe, which included killing all of the Druids, the destruction of Jerusalem, the bastardization of Christianity (culminating in what we know of as astrotheology) and assuming control of the Roman Catholic Church. Why? What happened to the Pythagoreans while they were in South America? The answer is that they discovered the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar and its true significance. This calendar was not a product of the Mayans. It was not the product of the Olmecs. It is an ancient artifact the discovery of which put into motion a masterplan for the end of this world. This masterplan defines your entire reality. It defines who you are. It is a prison in which we all live.






Balancing the “Book of Days”

cross reference 20 18 based counting in 2018 page under Rabbit Hole menu


Tonalamatl  —Wikipedia

The Codex Borgia is named after the Italian Cardinal Stefano Borgia, who owned it before it was acquired by the Vatican Library.


Tzolkin Notes – EVOLUTIONARY SHIFT 2011


Many have written and hypothesized about this but no definitive answer has appeared. Perhaps Tony Shearer in Beneath the Moon and Under the Sun says it best:

“A story was told to the Spaniards shortly after the conquest in Oaxaca ….

‘On the day we call Tecpotl (Etznab/Flint) a great light came from the Northeastern sky. It glowed for 4 days in the sky, then lowered itself to that rock (the rock can still be seen at Tenochtitlan de Valle in Oaxaca ). From the light there came a great, a very powerful being who stood on the very top of the rock and glowed like the sun in the sky.

There he stood for all to see, shining day and night. Then he spoke, his voice was like thunder, booming across the valley.

Our old men and women, the astronomers and astrologists, could understand them and he could understand them.

He (the Solar Beam) told us how to pray and fixed for us days of fast and days of feasting. He then balanced the “Book of days” (Sacred Calendar) and left, vowing that he would always watch down on us, his beloved people.’”

The Sacred Calendar, the Tzolkin, was created by combining the 20 sacred glyphs with
13 magic numbers. 13 x 20 = 260.  —TZOLKIN COUNT OF DAYS






Research Notes


Located the Vault Profound. MUST find geological survey manned ONLY by Freemasons



The progeny of Jove had to return from Central and South America before 1492. The Jesuits were formed in 1534. The Jesuits are the progeny of Jove inside the Catholic church. You cannot understand the Illuminati without first understanding the Jesuits because the Order of Illuminati is modeled after them. 





Only interested in the Peruvian cultures…

Baffling Ancient Civilizations That Left People in Awe — and Archaeologists Scratching Their Heads from the DTTV Archaeology Answers YouTube channel