№ 8. Origins of the Progeny of Jove

PAGE STATUS: I will not apologize for this page. While much remains undone, what you cannot see is how far I have progressed in my understanding of this subject. The first section about Atlantis is merely stating the obvious. But the second section is a perspective on history that I worked very hard to obtain, one unique to this website, and essential for understanding the world in which we live. Based on Greek mythology and a number of other recent discoveries (including the meaning of the “1952” working title of the Tomorrowland movie), I am reasonably sure the knowledge of progeny of Jove—specific knowledge of the end time from which they derive their power—originated from survivors of the Atlantis culture on the isle of Crete.  But as a tight-knit group of men determined to survive what the Babylonians called the “Great One,” I do not think they exist prior to around 600 BC. Exactly how all these puzzle pieces fit together is something that unfolds to me over very long periods of time. But I fully expect to finish this page before January 1, 2022.
LAST UPDATE: December 29, 2020

Remnants of the Atlantis culture

The progeny of Jove learned what they know from no less than the remnants of Atlantis, which is to say, their knowledge of our Solar System dates back to previous world ages. You cannot understand my work, and more importantly, you cannot understand all of history unless you first understand that the progeny of Jove began life as the Hellenes who learned what they know about the Solar System from the remnant of the Atlantis culture we know as the Minoans and that they befriended the Phoenicians in Canaanite who learned what they knew from the survivors of Atlantis in Tartessos in the southern Iberian Peninsula (modern-day Spain). This friendship came to an end in the Punic wars when the Roman elite (the progeny of Jove in their day) utterly destroyed yet another people who knew about the cyclic destruction of the world “There can be only one.”

After March 23, 687 BC, Earth’s last encounter with Mars, all of the planets settled into distant orbits and became mere “moving stars.” The ancients realized for the first time that their descendants would never understand or believe the destructive forces at work in our Solar System. This was the impetus that gave birth to…
the progeny of Jove

The knowledge the progeny of Jove possess has survived from previous worlds. Of this, we can be sure. The cycles of destruction to which this planet is subject, or more generally, the electromagnetic disturbances to our entire Solar System responsible for the cyclic destruction of our planet, cannot be observed in hundreds or even thousands of years. It may date back to a distant time before the last Golden Age, which is to say this knowledge is at least tens of thousands of years old if not hundreds of thousands.

The Minoans and Mycenaeans

The Maya

At least some people think the Maya culture dates back to a time shortly after the biblical deluge in 3105 BC. There is a reason why the Catholic church in Rome and the Jesuits in particular utterly destroyed the codices and other historical records of this culture, and it did not have anything whatsoever to do with saving their souls. It was a coverup. The progeny of Jove could not risk a full understanding of the Maya Long Count reaching the shores of Europe. 

As of this writing, I have removed it from the website because it is so provocative, but I find significant evidence that after largely abandoning Rome in the aftermath of Julius Caesar, the progeny of Jove lived and Peru and explored all of the Americas. I am sure they have always known the true meaning of the Maya Long Count.  

The Maya were the first Mesoamerican civilization, starting around 2600 B.C.

KnowledgeNuts.com, Difference Between The Aztec, Maya, Inca, And Olmec

Even the History channel dates the Maya to at least 1800 BC.

Early Maya, 1800 B.C. to A.D. 250 The earliest Maya settlements date to around 1800 B.C., or the beginning of what is called the Preclassic or Formative Period.

History.com, Early Maya, 1800 B.C. to A.D. 250

Mars, the Roman god of war, gave birth to the progeny of Jove

Origins of the progeny of Jove (circa 600 BC)

350 years
The point to grasp is that, with the exception of Virgil and the Nazarene (Christ Jesus), all of these men lived and died in a short span of 350 years.

But the progeny of Jove did not exist prior to March 23, 687 BC, which was the date of the last close encounter of the comet Mars with Earth. Prior to this date, the Solar System was unsettled. There was never an opportunity for people to think of much more than their own survival.

Thousands of years earlier in a time now remembered as the Younger Dryas

From the time of the breakup of the polar configuration which

We have just experienced 2750 years of relative calm (747 BC + 2018 AD). Why do I use the date 747 BC? The answer to this question is pivotal to understanding my work. It took me years to piece this together. Here is the main point:

Because of the Bible’s “Exodus” and the popularity of Immanuel Velikovsky’s Worlds in Collision, it is not generally understood that the destructions of Mars far in exceeded anything prior to it.

It was only sometime after 687 BC when Mars assumed its present orbit that the ancients realized there would be this prolonged period of stability and calm in the solar system. It was an unimaginable period of enlightenment and knowledge of these cycles of destruction were much more widely dispersed. The “Progeny of Jove” date back to this period.

I like to refer to this period of time generically as 600 BC (or 2,600 years ago). The people who survived the last two catastrophes (or “closing acts” of a cosmic drama as Immanuel Velikovsky calls them), most notably the Phrygians in Central Anatolia (modern-day Turkey), brought forward into the new world in which we now live ancient knowledge about these natural cycles of destruction that ended the previous world. This is the knowledge that the progeny of Jove possess.


Knowledge of the cyclic destruction of the planet was widespread back then. These are perhaps not ordinary men speaking, but they are nonetheless men:

XXXXThe “Master Plan” was already formulated in the days of the ancient Greeks. Its origins date back to the Phrygians who survived our many encounters with Mars in vast underground cities in Central Anatolia (modern-day Turkey).

All of these great men in history date back to this time period when knowledge of what the Bible calls the coming “Apocalypse” was more widely dispersed than it is today.

They inherited this knowledge from their ancestors who survived whatever happened in 3100 BC, a mere 500 years ago then.

They know what caused it then and more or less exactly what to expect this cycle. And equally important, when.

XXXXX polar-configuration


An artist rendition of the planets in what has become known as the polar configuration. The red planet closest to Earth is Mars. Venus is the white planet. The large planet is Proto-Saturn (no rings). The planets were thought of a “gods” because they loomed large in the sky. After the polar configuration disintegrated, the comet Venus and Mars initially assumed orbits which brought them in very close proximity to Earth. This is the subject of Immanuel Velikovsky’s book Worlds in Collision, a seminal work in the field of comparative mythology. History is proving him right on every front.

Mars was the Last of the Planet Gods
During this period a series of close encounters with Mars separated by 15 years caused even more destruction than the comet Venus and was punctuated by the February 26, 747 BC encounter in which Mars bumped up against Earth’s magnetosphere and changed our planet’s orbital period from a perfect 360 days to 365.2422 days. The Maya remember these “unlucky” five days as the Wayeb. The last of these encounters was 60 years later on March 23, 687 BC (which is easy to remember because Mars also has a 687 day orbital period).

Mars is the closing act in Immanuel Velikovsky’s “cosmic drama,” discussed on page № 36. The Hidden Catastrophic History of Our Solar System, but it is a very climactic ending. Very few people understand that the repeated close encounters with Mars caused considerably more death and destruction than the comet Venus.

By the time Pythagoras is born c. 570 AD, Mars, the god of war and the last of the planet gods has already settled into its present-day, distant orbit and become yet another “wandering star.” It is my contention that around this time the ancients realized that their descendants would never understand or believe the destructive nature of the Solar System in which they live.

This was the impetus that gave birth, not to the Roman Empire, but to the progeny of Jove, who were the elite, ruling classes in both Classical Greece and the Roman Empire.

In general and for the sake of simplicity, I refer to this period as 600 B.C. or 2,600 years ago. It is only three generations or so after the last encounter with Mars. The Solar System has stabilized for the first time in the 2,500 years since Proto-Saturn exploded and flooded the Earth with water which, thanks to the Cassini spacecraft, we now know has the same isotopic ratios of Saturn’s rings. It happened. Our Solar System’s catastrophic past is real. Knowledge of these cycles of destruction and their cause was widespread back then. They inherited this knowledge from their ancestors who survived the “biblical deluge” in 3100 BC, a mere 500 years earlier.

So figuratively looking back over their shoulders into the not-so-distant past, they can readily recall two and a half millennia of unimaginable death and destruction raining down from the skies above. But looking forward, in this new, placid Solar System configuration in which the “gods” have been reduced to “wandering stars,” they begin to realize that little can be done to keep these memories alive. They possess specific knowledge from previous world ages (as attested to by the numerous quotes above) of these cycles of destruction and know more or less when to expect the next planetary catastrophe. And they know this is “the big one,” which for reasons unknown to you and me, Joel describes by saying “there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations” and that eight centuries later the learned Nazarene (Christ Jesus) describes by saying “then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”

The problem is that it will not occur for another 2,600 years. By then the people will never believe them if they tried to explain the level of devastation which they know all too well is not only possible but the unavoidable and predetermined end of this world. The progeny of Jove made it their mission in life not only to preserve this knowledge intact, but to plan how to survive such an unimaginably devastating planetary catastrophe. For more than two and a half millennia they have been planning how to survive the next planetary catastrophe. Along the way they became what I routinely describe a brilliant, consummate planners. We find the idea of multigenerational planning hard to accept, but for them it is a way of life.


The Jewish prophets

These men were no different than their contemporaries. They were not “prophets” in the sense of having some kind of supernatural knowledge. God did not select them because they were better than their fellows, tap them on their shoulder, and whisper secrets about the future into their ears. This entire concept of prophecy is rubbish. There are no such prophets, any more than there is an anthropomorphic God. These men were first and foremost thinkers. They could “see into the future” because they understood more about the present.

All citations relative to the Old Testament or Tanakh are from the Jewish Encyclopedia

Joel: “wrote in the beginning of the reign of King Joash (836-797 B.C.), and was therefore the oldest prophet to leave a book of prophecies” (JewishEncyclopedia.com, JOEL, BOOK OF, § 2. Date of the Book, “Theory of a Pre-Exilic Period”, Emil G. Hirsch, Victor Ryssel)

Joel 2: 1-2
let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand; a day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness…there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations

Here I just want to interject that Joel and the Nazarene (see below), whose description of what is about to happen was spoken some eight centuries later, sound remarkably the same. Between these two men, there is zero possibility that the total destruction of the planet to which they are referring has already happened in the intervening time.

All of these men and women, from Joel and the Nazarene are talking about something that has not yet happened. Be sure of this.
Aquarius the Water Bearer from Urania’s Mirror

Amos: “active c. 760–755 BCE” (Wikipedia, Amos (prophet))

Amos 5:8
that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth 

Isaiah: Dating is highly problematic. “While it is widely accepted that the book of Isaiah is rooted in a historic prophet called Isaiah, who lived in the Kingdom of Judah during the 8th century BCE, it is also widely accepted that this prophet did not write the entire book of Isaiah.” (Wikipedia, Book of Isaiah). “It must suffice here to give a few hints as to the probable periods of the chief prophecies. Three great national crises called forth the most certainly genuine prophecies of Isaiah—the Syro-Israelitish invasion (734), the siege and fall of Samaria (722), and the campaign of Sennacherib (701). Among the non-Isaian prophecies, there are two exilic prophecies of the fall of Babylon (xiii. 1-xiv. 23, and, as most suppose, xxi. 1-10); a probably post-exilic prophecy, or elegy, on the ruin of Moab (xv.-xvi.); prophecies on Egypt and on Tyre, both post-exilic, and the former furnished with a late appendix belonging to the Greek period. ” (JewishEncyclopedia.com, ISAIAH, BOOK OF, Periods of the Prophecy, Emil G. Hirsch, Victor Ryssel)

Isaiah 24:20
The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard

Isaiah 24:19
the foundations of the earth do shake. The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly

Jeremiah: “the period of his prophetical activity as extending from the thirteenth year of Josiah to the eleventh of Zedekiah (i.e., the year of the second deportation, 586 B.C.). This period certainly does not cover the whole contents of the book; hence probably the superscription was originally that of an older book of smaller compass.” (JewishEncyclopedia.com, JEREMIAH, BOOK OF, § 2. Date of the Book, “Theory of a Pre-Exilic Period”, Emil G. Hirsch, Victor Ryssel)

Jeremiah 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it

Daniel: “The Book of Daniel was written during the persecutions of Israel by the Syrian king Antiochus Epiphanes.” (JewishEncyclopedia.com, DANIEL, BOOK OF, Date of Book, Emil G. Hirsch, Victor Ryssel)’ “Antiochus IV Epiphanes c. 215 BC – November/December 164 BC) was a Hellenistic king of the Seleucid Empire from 175 BC until his death in 164 BC.” (Wikipedia, Antiochus IV Epiphanes)

Daniel 12:1
there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation

It is my strongly held belief, and indeed a central thesis of this entire website, that The Book of Daniel is not only a fictional work, but written by the progeny of Jove. It is therefore interesting that this “prophecy” is so different from the others. The “since there was a nation” is an antediluvian reference to 3100 B.C., when Proto-Saturn exploded and flooded the entire Earth.

The Jews will be infiltrated (as were the Christians many centuries later) and made to forget what is about to happen.

Is Solon the “father” of the progeny of Jove?

The Ancient Greeks

Solon: (c. 638 – c. 558 BC), a distant relative of Plato’s from whom his family learned about Atlantis

Pythagoras: (c. 570 – c. 495 BC) from whom the Freemasons claim direct lineage

Plato: (428/427 or 424/423 – 348/347 BC)

These men are the progeny of Jove in their day.

The Asians

Gautama Buddha: (c. 563/480 – c. 483/400 BCE), also known as Siddhārtha Gautama, Shakyamuni (i.e. “Sage of the Shakyas”) Buddha, or simply the Buddha

Confucius 孔子: (551–479 BC)

Virgil and the Nazarene

These two men lived at about the same time. They are outside of the 350-year timeframe under consideration, but I am including them as a reminder that the progeny of Jove is now in control of the Roman Empire and it is generally not acceptable to discuss what is going to happen. It has been a secret for over half a millennium now and the Romans are systematically destroying cultures such as the Carthaginians (the remnant of the Phoenicians) and Druids whose knowledge encompasses the end time.

Publius Vergilius Maro (Virgil): October 15, 70 BC – September 21, 19 BC

Eclogue IV
See how it totters– the world’s orbed might, Earth, and wide ocean

The Nazarene (Christ Jesus): -4 BC to 29 AD

Matthew 24:21
then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be

[For more descriptions of the coming apocalypse, read the extensive collection of biblical excerpts in the section entitled The “Day of the Lord” on page № 31. The Apocalypse (or “day of our Lord”) and Dr. Chan Thomas‘ description of “The NEXT CATACLYSM” from The Adam and Eve Story (pages 3-6)—a book the CIA classified for some unknown reason—in the section entitled Mental Preparedness at the top of page № 32. What to Expect and How to Survive.]

Ignore these men at your own peril. I cannot. Collectively, they are screaming at us that we are living in the end time.


There is no clearer evidence for the origins of the progeny of Jove than Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey.

The comet Venus was to the ancient Greeks (or Hellenes) what Mars was to the Romans or SN1604 to the Rosicrucians, a symbol of their beginnings

The Philistines and their strong affiliation with the Phoenicians in Canaanite

The “Blazing Star” motif in this German drawing is not one whit different than what you see in Freemason symbolism. I waited many years to take this step, to say that before the Phrygians the progeny of Jove were known as the Phoenicians. It has been one of the most cautious steps I have ever taken. The fiery rebirth of the Phoenix was never lost on me.

Seriously boring, but invaluable research. Excerpt just the lecture…

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Hiram Abiff

The Hellenes (“I am Alpha and Omega”)

Why did the progeny of Jove abandon Hellas in favor of Magna Graecia? Plato provides us with the answer to this question.

Thereupon one of the priests, who was of a very great age, said: O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you. Solon in return asked him what he meant. I mean to say, he replied, that in mind you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition, nor any science which is hoary with age. And I will tell you why. There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other causes. ―Timaeus By Plato

Wikipedia, Griko people

Phrygian Cap renamed Liberty Cap in the United States of America

Who were the Phrygians, and why are they remembered in the symbolism of the United States of America?

The “progeny of Jove” stealthily descended down through the ages, morphing from one organizational entity to another, in order to reach this “coming time” which Virgil longed to see. Though they claim descent from Pythagoras and the ancient Egyptians, I believe their lineage can be traced back to the Phrygians in Central Anatolia, who survived the destructions at the end of the last world en masse in over 200 underground cities such as Derinkuyu, Kaymaklı, Mazi, and Özkonak. In Derinkuyu alone there were estimated to be as many as 20,000 people who survived; in Özkonak, 60,000 people. At least some of these underground cities were interconnected.

Recent linguistic studies present strong evidence that the Indo-European language group originates in Anatolia. According to most accounts, the Armens were generally tall, blond-haired, and blue-eyed in appearance…

Simple English Wikipedia, Armens

Why Phrygia? Because it is in the center of a large landmass that includes the continents of Asia, Africa, and Europe. I other words, it is very far away from the oceans.

If you doubt the existence of the extensive underground tunnel systems in Colorado and throughout the Western United States (Virgil’s “vault profound”) which cost U.S. taxpayers trillions of dollars, you need only read this Wikipedia article about Derinkuyu to see what the “progeny of Jove” was capable of well over 2,500 years ago.

Anatolia (also known as Asia Minor by the Romans) It constitutes the bulk of modern-day Turkey

Why do I think this way? Why do I think the true origin of the progeny of Jove is the Phrygians? First off, there are still traces to this very day of cultural, genetic, and linguistic similarities between the Phrygians, Greeks, and Romans. The cultural ties are interesting, if not as significant as the genetic and linguistic similarities. One I can’t help but notice is Mount Olympus. Did you know that there is also a Phrygian Mount Olympus, too? It is called Mysian Olympus.


…a daughter of Cecrops, from whom the country of Phrygia was believed to have derived its name (Plin. H. N. v. 32). Phrygia is also used for Cybele, as the goddess who was worshipped above all others in Phrygia (Virg. Aen. vii. 139; Strab. x. p. 469), and as a surname of Athena (Minerva) on account of the Palladium which was brought from Phrygia. (Ov. Met. xiii. 337; compare Apollod. iii. 12. § 3.)

William Smith, A Dictionary of Greek and Roman biography and mythology, Phrygia

The Cybele connection (Get planet reconfiguration quote)

The second reason why I think the Phrygians were the progeny of Jove is the homage paid by the government and military of the United States of America to these ancient people.

Finally, there is the fact that they survived Mars en masse. The ancient Egyptian who spoke with Solon told us the Greeks are usually annihilated in cataclysms. (find quote)

I was stunned to find this highly unusual square and compasses on freemasons-freemasonry.com, the “most popular and famous Freemasons’ online magazine written by Master Masons of a Grand Lodge of Ancient, Accepted Free Masons.” The page was entitled “The Regius Poem,” which is claimed to be the oldest extant Masonic document. So here are Master Masons discussing their oldest document and what do we find but a square and compasses adorned with a Phrygian cap I rest my case.

The Liberty Cap is taken from the Phrygian cap – a conical cap or bonnet with the peak turned over in front, associated in antiquity with the inhabitants of Phrygia, a region of central Anatolia (now Turkey).

FirstWhiteHouse.org [no longer exists] First White house of the Confederacy

“This We’ll Defend”

Why is the military of the United States of America defending a Phrygian cap? I don’t buy the story that this a “Liberty cap.” Something more is going on here. The progeny of Jove clearly have some connection to the Phrygians in Anatolia. Was it because they survived Mars in the Phrygian underground cities while making their way back to ancient Greece from Philistine after what history knows as the Late Bronze Age collapse?

The U.S. Army has, since 1778, utilized a “War Office Seal” in which the motto “This We’ll Defend” is displayed directly over a Phrygian cap on an upturned sword.


Mithra wears the Phrygian cap

Ovid and the Phrygia to Greece migration of the progeny of Jove

Long before the progeny of Jove began morphing from one entity to another in modern times (e.g. from the Freemasons to the CIA in 1947 United States of America), they migrated from one place to another, first infiltrating a people and then, as time passed, becoming those people. Thus the progeny of Jove migrated from Phrygia where the survived the last series of planetary destruction en masse to Greece and then from Greece to Rome. This migration of the progeny of Jove from Phrygia to ancient Greece is symbolized in the story of Baucis & Philemon. ,

Publius Ovidius Naso (Classical Latin: [ˈpu:.blɪ.ʊs ɔˈwɪ.dɪ.ʊs ˈnaː.soː]; 20 March 43 BC – AD 17/18), known as Ovid (/ˈɒvɪd/)[1] in the English-speaking world, was a Roman poet who lived during the reign of Augustus. He was a contemporary of the older Virgil and Horace, with whom he is often ranked as one of the three canonical poets of Latin literature. The Imperial scholar Quintilian considered him the last of the Latin love elegists.[2] He enjoyed enormous popularity, but, in one of the mysteries of literary history, was sent by Augustus into exile in a remote province on the Black Sea, where he remained until his death. Ovid himself attributes his exile to carmen et error, “a poem and a mistake”, but his discretion in discussing the causes has resulted in much speculation among scholars.


In Ovid‘s moralizing fable which stands on the periphery of Greek mythology and Roman mythology, Baucis and Philemon were an old married couple in the region of Tyana, which Ovid places in Phrygia…


…certainly by the late 8th century BC [Tyana] was an independent kingdom under a ruler named WarpalawaWikipedia

Among other commemorative monuments, Warpalawas most notably commissioned the carving of the İvriz relief, a rock relief at the site of Ivriz near a spring, south of Tuwanuwa in the province of Konya. In the relief, he is depicted with the storm-god Tarhunzas. His attire in the relief is seen as an evidence for his kingdom’s close affinity with the Phrygians.

Wikipedia [bold-red emphasis added]

The two trees are the oak tree (symbolizing the progeny of Jove now in control of ancient Greece) and the linden (representing the Phrygians who carved the cave in Central Anatolia)

In the hilly countryside of Phrygia there grew two trees which were cause for much amazement to anyone who saw them. You see, one was an oak tree and the other was a linden, yet the two grew from a single trunk. How did this marvel come to be, and what can we learn from the story?

The Oak Tree in Ancient Greece and Rome

Both the Romans and Greeks associated the oak tree with their highest gods. To the Greek god Zeus, ruler of the Olympians and the divinity of sky, rain, and thunder, the oak was sacred: he and his wife, Hera, were known as the oak god and the oak goddess.

Zeus’ oracle in Dodona, Epirus, was considered to be the oldest in Greece, though it’s importance was eventually eclipsed by the oracle of Apollo at Delphi. The oracle in Dodona was said to be founded when a black dove flew from Thebes in Egypt and settled in an oak tree at Dodona. The tree became the center of the temple, and priests would divine the god’s assertions and judgements in the rustling of the oak’s leaves.

The oracle at Dodona was visited by notable heroes of Greek mythology, including Jason, who was urged to place a protective branch from the sacred oak on the bow of his ship the Argo when he embarked on his search for the Golden Fleece. In Homer’s Odyssey, Odysseus consults the oaken oracle to ask if he should return to Ithaca in disguise or as himself.

In ancient Rome, every oak was considered sacred to Jupiter, the Italian counterpart to Zeus. Not only was Jupiter worshiped as the deity of the oak, but Roman commanders who were victorious in battle were presented with crowns of oak leaves.

The Oak Tree in Mythology – Symbolic Meaning by Carl Blackburn

Listen carefully to Herodotus and Plato

Phrygian is considered by some linguists to have been closely related to Greek.[3][4]The similarity of some Phrygian words to Greek ones was observed by Plato in his CratylusWikipedia


Phrygian is attested by two corpora, one dated to between about the 8th and the 4th century BC (Paleo-Phrygian), and then after a period of several centuries from between the 1st and 3rd centuries BC (Neo-Phrygian)…

The last mentions of the language date to the 5th century BC and it was likely extinct by the 7th century BC.

Paleo-Phrygian used a Phoenician-derived script (its ties with Greek are debated), while Neo-Phrygian used the Greek script. Wikipedia


By Plato

Written 360 B.C.E

Translated by Benjamin Jowett

Her. What do you say of pur (fire) and udor (water)?

Soc. I am at a loss how to explain pur; either the muse of Euthyphro has deserted me, or there is some very great difficulty in the word. Please, however, to note the contrivance which I adopt whenever I am in a difficulty of this sort.

Her. What is it?

Soc. I will tell you; but I should like to know first whether you can tell me what is the meaning of the pur?

Her. Indeed I cannot.

Soc. Shall I tell you what I suspect to be the true explanation of this and several other words?- My belief is that they are of foreign origin. For the Hellenes, especially those who were under the dominion of the barbarians, often borrowed from them.

Her. What is the inference?

Soc. Why, you know that any one who seeks to demonstrate the fitness of these names according to the Hellenic language, and not according to the language from which the words are derived, is rather likely to be at fault.

Her. Yes, certainly.

Soc. Well then, consider whether this pur is not foreign; for the word is not easily brought into relation with the Hellenic tongue, and the Phrygians may be observed to have the same word slightly changed, just as they have udor (water) and kunes (dogs), and many other words.

Her. That is true.

Soc. Any violent interpretations of the words should be avoided; for something to say about them may easily be found. And thus I get rid of pur and udor…

Now before Psammetichus became king of Egypt,1 the Egyptians believed that they were the oldest people on earth. But ever since Psammetichus became king and wished to find out which people were the oldest, they have believed that the Phrygians were older than they, and they than everybody else. [2] Psammetichus, when he was in no way able to learn by inquiry which people had first come into being, devised a plan by which he took two newborn children of the common people and gave them to a shepherd to bring up among his flocks. He gave instructions that no one was to speak a word in their hearing; they were to stay by themselves in a lonely hut, and in due time the shepherd was to bring goats and give the children their milk and do everything else necessary. [3] Psammetichus did this, and gave these instructions, because he wanted to hear what speech would first come from the children, when they were past the age of indistinct babbling. And he had his wish; for one day, when the shepherd had done as he was told for two years, both children ran to him stretching out their hands and calling “Bekos!” as he opened the door and entered. [4] When he first heard this, he kept quiet about it; but when, coming often and paying careful attention, he kept hearing this same word, he told his master at last and brought the children into the king’s presence as required. Psammetichus then heard them himself, and asked to what language the word “Bekos” belonged; he found it to be a Phrygian word, signifying bread. [5] Reasoning from this, the Egyptians acknowledged that the Phrygians were older than they. This is the story which I heard from the priests of Hephaestus’2 temple at Memphis; the Greeks say among many foolish things that Psammetichus had the children reared by women whose tongues he had cut out.

1 In 664 B.C., probably.

2 Identified by the Greeks with the Egyptian Ptah.


Philemon (Much Ado About Nothing, 2.1.35): In Greek mythology, a peasant who—with his wife, Baucis—lived in a humble cottage in Phrygia. Disguised as mortals, Zeus and Hermes visited them and were received with great warmth. Zeus rewarded them by transforming their cottage into a temple.

(POTENTIALLY CRITICAL) FROM https://web.stanford.edu/~meehan/donnellyr/oaks.html

Phaedrus: Socrates, you easily make up accounts (logos) from Egypt and any countries you wish!
Socrates: Dear boy, the priests in the sacred precinct of Zeus at Dodona say that prophetic words first came from an oak tree. In fact, the men of that time on account of their guilelessness (lacking the wisdom you young people have) were content to listen to an oak tree and a rock, provided they spoke the truth. — Plato, Phaedrus

[4] Pliny: “Here we must mention the awe felt for this plant by the Gauls. The Druids – for so their magicians are called – held nothing more sacred than the mistletoe and the tree that bears it, always supposing that tree to be the oak. But they choose groves of oaks for the sake of the tree alone, and they never perform any of their rites except in the presence of a branch of it; so that it seems probable that the priests themselves may derive their name from the Greek word for that tree.* In fact, they think that everything that grows on it has been sent from heaven and is a proof that the tree was chosen by the god himself….

Pliny XVI, 249. [bold-red emphasis added]

Dodona represents antiquity:

Dodona in Epirus in northwestern Greece was the oldest Hellenic oracle, possibly dating to the second millennium BCE according to Herodotus. The earliest accounts in Homer describe Dodona as an oracle of Zeus.


Need to research other possible pre-Plato oak tree references. Started here:

July is the month when the Linden (Tilia cordata) is in full bloom not only in Poland or England but also throughout Central and Eastern Europe. Linden is a sacred tree. It had a special meaning in pagan, pre-Christian tradition running so deep that Christianity was forced to embrace the tree as their own.

Slavic mythology. In old Slavic mythology, the linden (lipa, as called in all Slavic languages) was considered a sacred tree. Particularly in Poland, many villages have a name “Święta Lipka” (or similar), which literally means “Holy Lime”.

Basswood (linden) has common properties with but is superior to balsa. Basswood is used for carving, which

Jacob van Oost Mercury and Jupiter in the House of Philemon and Baucis

Baucis & Philemon

From Pythagoras to the Roman elite

I have long suspected that Pythagoras is a fictitious character. As stated in Wikipedia article on Pythagoras, “Most of the major sources on Pythagoras’s life are from the Roman period…”

The year 532 BC was a year of the pre-Julian Roman calendar. In the Roman Empire, it was known as year 222 Ab urbe condita.

Pythagoras arrives in the Greek colony of Croton (modern-day Crotone) in Magna Graecia and founds the philosophical school of Pythagoreanism (approximate date).

Wikipedia, 532 BC

Must consider the possibility that Pythagoras was invented to explain to initiates how the progeny of Jove migrated from Ancient Greece to Madna Graecia

Few details of Pythagoras’s life are definitively known. He was born to Pythais and Mnemarchos (or Mnesarchos), a gem-engraver or merchant, on the Ionian island of Samos in 571 or 570 bce. He lived there until 532 or 531, when he migrated, perhaps to escape the tyranny of Policrates, to the Achaean city of Croton in Magna Graecia (southern Italy), soon after the defeat of the city by its neighbors, the Locrians.

According to legend, Ancient Rome was founded by the two brothers, and demigods, Romulus and Remus, on 21 April 753 BCE. The legend claims that in an argument over who would rule the city (or, in another version, where the city would be located) Romulus killed Remus and named the city after himself.

And this very well may explain the timing of their move from Greece to Rome.

There is no gold in Fort Knox

From the time of the Phoenicians to the Executive Order 6102 on April 5, 1933, The United States Gold Reserve Act of January 30, 1934, and the Bretton Woods Conference, The progeny of Jove have been collecting the world’s gold for after the coming Earth crustal displacement. To think they would store it any place other than in the “vault profound” is delusional. There is no gold in Fort Knox. It is deep underground in the Pikes Peak batholith. I am as sure of this as I am the air I breathe. 

Everything from here down is dumped from an old Maya Page

544 BC is exactly 216 orbits of Jupiter ago


Siddhartha Gautama (Buddha) (623-544 BC)

Many Buddhist traditions believe it was the year when the Buddha reached parinirvana, though the actual year 0 of the Buddhist calendar corresponds to the previous year, 545 BC.


After the demise of Lord Buddha in 544 B.C., Six Great Buddhist Councils were convened to preserve the purity of the Tipitaka texts which embody the teaching of Lord Buddha. Sangayana means the congregation of learned monks who collectively revised and purified the Tipitaka texts. The First, Second and Third Great Buddhist Councils were convened in India between 544 B.C. and 308 B.C., and the Tipitaka texts were purified and revised orally.

Haryanaka Dynasty: 544 BC -412 BC

544 BC: Sun Tzu the author of the Art of War is born.

500 BC: Cast iron is invented in China around this time. The iron plough was likely invented shortly after.

Read more at: http://www.ducksters.com/history/china/timeline_of_ancient_china.php
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More generally, one would expect great wisdom to arise from this era.

Confucius (September 28, 551 BC – 479 BC)

Hundred Schools of Thought

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Hundred Schools of Thought (Chinese: 諸子百家; pinyin: zhūzǐ bǎijiā) were philosophies and schools that flourished from the 6th century to 221 BC, during the Spring and Autumn period and the Warring States period of ancient China.[1]

An era of great cultural and intellectual expansion in China,[2] it was fraught with chaos and bloody battles, but it was also known as the Golden Age of Chinese philosophy because a broad range of thoughts and ideas were developed and discussed freely. This phenomenon has been called the Contention of a Hundred Schools of Thought (百家爭鳴/百家争鸣; bǎijiā zhēngmíng; pai-chia cheng-ming; “hundred schools contend”). The thoughts and ideas discussed and refined during this period have profoundly influenced lifestyles and social consciousness up to the present day in East Asian countries and the East Asian diaspora around the world. The intellectual society of this era was characterized by itinerant scholars, who were often employed by various state rulers as advisers on the methods of government, war, and diplomacy.


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kapitolinischer Pythagoras adjusted.jpg

Bust of Pythagoras of Samos in
the Capitoline Museums, Rome.
Born c. 570 BC
Died c. 495 BC (aged around 75)

Pythagoras of Samos (US: /pɪˈθæɡərəs/;[1]UK: /pˈθæɡərəs/;[2]Greek: Πυθαγόρας ὁ Σάμιος Pythagóras ho Sámios “Pythagoras the Samian“, or simply Πυθαγόρας; Πυθαγόρης in Ionian Greek; c. 570–495 BC)[3][4] was an Ionian Greek philosopher, mathematician, and putative founder of the Pythagoreanism movement. He is often revered as a great mathematician and scientist and is best known for the Pythagorean theorem which bears his name.

The ant people

This quote and a copy of the book was provided by a contributor. The entire book can be found at ASL. Book of the Hopi by Frank Waters. At times I despise Wikipedia. This is one of them. In their article on the author Frank Waters, they say, “His earlier Book of the Hopi (1963) is rejected ‘as largely ersatz by Hopi traditionalists’ and specialist scholars ‘avoid even mentioning it’.” For the record, I believe in Frank Walter and the authenticity of this book. Read it for yourself. Start with the Introduction on page nine.
You say Teeter, I say Totter

What the Hopi call the Ant People, I call the progeny of Jove.

Research notes

must emphasize Tartessos (Phoenician) and Minoan (Greek) ties to the remnant of the Atlantis culture as the source of their knowledge. I am ready to publicly express my doubts about the existence of Pythagoras, whose purported existence, if it is indeed a fiction, would serve the purpose of suggesting that this knowledge originated in India and Egypt

Search for “cone heads” (I am pursuing this somewhere else)

It Turns Out Curious Head Cones in Ancient Egyptian Art Were Actually Real Hats

What I need to discuss:

  • Did the Phoenicians who inhabited Ireland become the Druids
  • The Roman destruction of the library in Carthage
  • The alphabet as encoded communication
  • Phoenician settlement in Anatolia
  • Hiram Abif and the three Js