9500 BC




Solon dates 9500 BC

No further chronological evidence is needed



This epoch marks the end of the Pleistocene and start of the Holocene. It is characterized by a widely deposited “black mat,” countless gazillions of microspherules and nanodiamonds, titanomagnetite grains, the extinction of megafauna (very large mammals such as sloths, mastodons, mammoths) and the Clovis People in North America, and unimaginable megafloods resulting from an inexplicably fast melting of ice sheets in North America. No one describes what happened at that time better than D. S. Allan and J. B. Delair in “Cataclysm!: Compelling Evidence of a Cosmic Catastrophe in 9500 B.C.” The planet was almost completely destroyed.





The Zodiac





develop this….

No Cometary Impact Path

This argument is at the top of this page because I think it is “peer reviewed” and critical evidence against the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis.  The paper deserves derision for arguing against the possibility of anything catastrophic happening merely because of the age of the solar system, but it is extremely useful in denying the validity of the Younger Dryas Impact hypothesis.

Too wide an area and as the multiple floods show, there were too many events.

An extraterrestrial impact in such recent history is not a trivial thing to suggest, Betancourt said. “It would imply that human society is at much greater risk than we have thought.”     ―Julio Betancourt, of the Tucson USGS office from “New doubt is cast on comet as big-animal killer” on tucson.com

What do you imagine Mr. Betancourt would say if he knew that what actually happened was not a mere asteroid impact but the entire solar system reconfigured and Proto-Saturn exploded in the process.



Having ruled out the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis, there is nothing else that can account for the level of destruction in the 9500 BC event as described in the book “Cataclysm!: Compelling Evidence of a Cosmic Catastrophe in 9500.” Nothing! There is nothing else that can explain the so-called ice age (energy) paradox. Nothing!


What else could so totally destroy the world?

This is like pissing in the wind because no one is listening. Please forgive the vulgarity but I live in a world that is on the verge of total destruction and my fellow human beings can think of nothing more than President Trump. The hypnotic state is boring if nothing else. Nevertheless, after months of floundering not knowing if my internal guidance system was still in operation, I watched the following YouTube video entitled “Last Extinction.Nova” on the King Ashur channel.

I catch hell for describing what happened as Saturn “exploding” (even thoughVelikovsky did the same) and for saying “plasma rained from the sky.” But if Saturn was our primordial sun how else should we describe the ejecta other than as plasma? And I can assure you it rained down over a very long period of time because that is why the giants who inhabited North America at the time built all those bomb shelters.



Immanuel Velikovsky said “ten thousand years ago”

In other places in his writing, Velikovsky equivocates somewhat on this date, but after years of careful thought I have come to realize that he was intellectually reaching out to us when he used the specific date of “ten thousand years ago” in the following passage from his “Saturn” paper:

“At a date that I would be hard put to task to identify even with approximation, but possibly about than [sic] ten thousand years ago, Saturn was disturbed by Jupiter and exploded, actually became a nova. The solar system and reaches beyond it were illuminated by the exploded star, and in a matter of a week the earth was enveloped in waters of Saturnian origin.”

With all he knew, even as humble a man as he was, Velikovsky would have wanted to make his best guess on the date. Ten thousand years ago would have been Great Cycle 3 at 8231 BC (10,248 years ago to be exact).

I would not discount for a minute that this is the actual date. As discussed in Radiocarbon Dating the Explosion of Proto-Saturn, the current state-of-the-art for chronological dating, like most of our so-called sciences is bizarrely flawed, ESPECIALLY and here I must really emphasize ESPECIALLY once you realize that our solar system is anything BUT stable. Be that as it may, the point is that there were two floods. One that created the oceans and utterly destroyed earth wiping out the memory of our species in the process and that of 3200 BC which was the result of an axial tilt and significantly less disastrous.

Thereupon one of the priests, who was of a very great age, said: O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you. Solon in return asked him what he meant. I mean to say, he replied, that in mind you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition, nor any science which is hoary with age. And I will tell you why. There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other causes. ―Timaeus By Plato

You need to understand that this is why Plato’s number is 216. Sacred number 216 is and ALWAYS has been a pointer to the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar. Part of what makes this difficult to understand is that we do not appreciate the fact that in ancient times Central America was the intellectual center of the world, not India and not China. Despite the idiocy of the present generation, this calendar is the most profound creation in the entire history of mankind because we live on a defective planet subject to a cyclic destruction the timing of which is as accurate as a Swiss watch. The genealogy in the Old Testament is an attempt to count from one of these “Great Cycle” disasters to another. The Mesoamerican Long Count calendar knows that the time between these profound disturbances of the solar system is precisely 432 orbits of Jupiter.




Wallace Thornhill’s “5,000 years earlier”

Start by quoting Immanuel V.



At 16:41 minutes into the video he states,

“As Velikovsky had stated in an almost offhand manner back in mid 1973 Saturn has somehow flared up in NOVA-like brilliance. It is unfortunate that Velikovsky misplaced the event in time, placing Proto-Saturn’s flareup just ahead of what has come down to us as Noah’s deluge, when there is much better evidence for placing it some 5,000 years earlier during that primeval event that lit up the sky for the very first time during mankind’s sojourn on Earth. In the book of Genesis, this event came to pass when Elohim gave the order to ‘Let there be light.’ But let this not be thought of as a unique biblical event. On the contrary, this sudden shedding of light into what had been a somewhat darkened world is described in various ways in the myth or historical records in just about all ancient nations from Mesopotamia and the rest of the Near East, India in the Far East including China into Egypt down to Africa, Greece and Rome, North America and across the stormy seas to the islands in their midst.”


Wallace Thornhill discusses “protoSaturn” in the following YouTube, but note that the Electric Universe team thinks that protoSaturn was “captured” by the Sun. As discussed below, I think this is absurd. The temperature record does not support such a conclusion.

Did he say this?

My use of term Proto-Saturn refers to our solar system before it was profoundly disturbed around 15,000 to 18,000 years ago resulting in an entirely different and new solar system configuration.







The Biodiversity of Life in the Oceans

The following “Saturn the flood & Origin of the oceans” from the Greg Jay YouTubechannel is of particular interest to the present discussion:

All Greg Jay is doing is reading notes written by Velikovsky, but the order of presentation is highly effective. The original papers can be read at “In The Beginnings” in Velikovsky’s library. I like Greg jay, but I warn the reader that he is an acquired taste.







Huge Spike in Ice Core Temperature Records

This is an exploratory section…

The correlations are still valid even if the events assigned to them are no longer supported…


The last Heinrich events (H1, H0), Oldest Dryas, Bølling oscillation, Older DryasAllerød oscillation, and the Younger Dryas are a kaleidoscope of names for the same thing. They are the record of temperature variations on Earth while


Here is the same temperature chart with Mesoamerican Long Count calendar “Great Cycles” or “Mayan ages” overlaid.

five events

There are five 108 orbits of Jupiter cycles of destruction recorded here. Here is a condensed version of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar table showing the dates of these five events.



five events (table)